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Posted 2/22/15

xxJing wrote:


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Seirei Tsukai No Blade Dance


I liked it, but it wasnt anything exceptional.


I will put this at above average. It is a generic harem, but unlike most generic harems I can honestly say I really enjoyed every episode. It doesn't exceed my expectations but it doesn't disappoint either, which is a pretty big accomplishment with anime. It does perfectly what it is intended to do.


I'd actually put Seirei as an above average harem. At least the characters were actually developed and they made an attempt to establish a proper relationship between the MC and the love interests. Claire was particularly well done, her reclusive and antagonist personality stems from the fact her sister smeared her family's reputation which caused her peers to turn against her. The cliffhanger ending was pretty lame but at I think it sold pretty well so hopefully there will be a second season at some point.
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Log Horizon, actually may even consider that below average.


LH is kind of hard for me to talk about in terms of good and bad. LH has an awesome world and setting that is actually really unique, it's plot is interesting too, but its characters are written very clumsily... The story demands characters that are a bit deeper and more realistic but they turn out pretty one dimensional and cartoony on screen and it just ruins the flow of the story.

If you gave the LH setting to the guy who wrote Death Note/Bakuman, I think he could make a story that I'd rank at least 8/10. That's how I feel about Log Horizon.


I can agree with this.

The characters are my biggest gripe for the most part, so my opinion is fairly similar.

I would have loved for it to have more realistic characters and was a bit darker. It's just, I can't really take the show too seriously since the characters don't even take anything seriously themselves. If they don't take it seriously, then why should I? If you're there for the game mechanics then that's fine, but that doesn't interest me when I can just go play a video game myself. In general, I like some type of pull with the story and characters in a series otherwise I start having problems. I've never really felt that "pull" with LH.

I don't have one character I care about in the show and it has a huge cast. I find that a big problem.



I definitely agree with you Jing. On one hand LH is a very unique show as it takes your general MMO setting and expands on it by incorporating deep and complex issues such as economic inequality, geopolitical conflicts and even class warfare which is something few shows even try to do. On the other hand, the characters suck, like they really fucking suck. There's so few characters on that show that I really care for and the majority of characters receive very little actual character development beyond the fundamentals. I personally feel that the series (second season in particular) lacks a strong villain: an individual everyone can rally against.
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Posted 2/22/15

LoomyTheBrew wrote:


xxJing wrote:


LoomyTheBrew wrote:

Log Horizon, actually may even consider that below average.


LH is kind of hard for me to talk about in terms of good and bad. LH has an awesome world and setting that is actually really unique, it's plot is interesting too, but its characters are written very clumsily... The story demands characters that are a bit deeper and more realistic but they turn out pretty one dimensional and cartoony on screen and it just ruins the flow of the story.

If you gave the LH setting to the guy who wrote Death Note/Bakuman, I think he could make a story that I'd rank at least 8/10. That's how I feel about Log Horizon.


I can agree with this.

The characters are my biggest gripe for the most part, so my opinion is fairly similar.

I would have loved for it to have more realistic characters and was a bit darker. It's just, I can't really take the show too seriously since the characters don't even take anything seriously themselves. If they don't take it seriously, then why should I? If you're there for the game mechanics then that's fine, but that doesn't interest me when I can just go play a video game myself. In general, I like some type of pull with the story and characters in a series otherwise I start having problems. I've never really felt that "pull" with LH.

I don't have one character I care about in the show and it has a huge cast. I find that a big problem.


Log Horizon had a great start with a LOT of potential, but lately, it's starting to get rather dull, and the latest arc... I don't know if it's filler or not, but it's terrible.

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I think of things in terms of genre; that being said, when I think of "average" shows, I tend to think of "typical" shows--and most of those don't get a lot of press.

For instance, in terms of rom-com harem series, Moshiroiro Symphony is very average. For action-harem shows, Aria the Scarlet Ammo is very average. Both are pleasant shows that hit most of the tropes of their respective genres without breaking any new ground; both are shows I'll recommend to a fan of the genre, but only if you really love that kind of thing.

On the other hand, something like Log Horizon (or Attack on Titan, or Koutora-San... I could name more) I have trouble calling "average". These shows are all creative-but-flawed; they push the boundaries in some ways, but fall flat in others. None of them are bad shows and none of them are great shows--but at least they are striving to do something different, and so I personally think it's a bit unfair to call them "average".
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Posted 2/22/15

Charlieandthetrollingfactory wrote:

The cliffhanger ending was pretty lame but at I think it sold pretty well so hopefully there will be a second season at some point.

Unfortunately, Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance didn't sell well. Volume 1 was the peak, with 2,209 sales. The latest to be released, volume 5 (of 6) sold only 1.746.

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mnmike wrote:

I think of things in terms of genre; that being said, when I think of "average" shows, I tend to think of "typical" shows--and most of those don't get a lot of press.

For instance, in terms of rom-com harem series, Moshiroiro Symphony is very average. For action-harem shows, Aria the Scarlet Ammo is very average. Both are pleasant shows that hit most of the tropes of their respective genres without breaking any new ground; both are shows I'll recommend to a fan of the genre, but only if you really love that kind of thing.

On the other hand, something like Log Horizon (or Attack on Titan, or Koutora-San... I could name more) I have trouble calling "average". These shows are all creative-but-flawed; they push the boundaries in some ways, but fall flat in others. None of them are bad shows and none of them are great shows--but at least they are striving to do something different, and so I personally think it's a bit unfair to call them "average".


It's a moot point just trying to be different if the execution fails to follow through.

Anyway for my answer to this topic I'm going with Log Horizon (agree with everything Loomy and Jing said) and One Piece.
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Argevollen was rather Meh, to me.... maybe in part since it just seemed so generic "Dude falls into cockpit of SUPER PROTOTYPE" and maybe because it started during the same season as Aldnoah, which I enjoyed a lot more.

BTOOOM! the "people forced to kill each other in a game" thing just never really appealed to me in this case... I guess I just like the novel of Battle Royale too much.

People have already started out tossin out fighting words here ((bleach and Naruto getting named on this (I do agree btw))) so... Fate/Stay night, just never really wowed me

Glasslip Total yawn fest... I don't think it even figured out what it was wanting to do, or if it even WANTED to go somewhere... pretty though

I'm sure there are others, and even more that would be on this list if I didn't get bored with them and stop watching

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Buddy Complex

It has it's flaws, but I enjoyed it. Copy Paste Gundam story with linkage and time travel thrown in for good measure.

Strengths
-Romance didn't feel forced
-Good Guy crew interaction was good
-Bizon's fall into crazy was played out progressively over the entire series.

Weaknesses
-The Time Travel gimmick wasn't explained in the series all that well
-Rushed Ending (At least we got one and it was decent, but an S2 would have been a lot better)
-Some reused Gundam plot
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I'm not going to sit here and write a whole list, but I'd say that a general figure for 'average' animes would be about 80-90%.
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This look a lot like let hate this series for this and that.
Posted 2/22/15

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Charlieandthetrollingfactory wrote:

The cliffhanger ending was pretty lame but at I think it sold pretty well so hopefully there will be a second season at some point.

Unfortunately, Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance didn't sell well. Volume 1 was the peak, with 2,209 sales. The latest to be released, volume 5 (of 6) sold only 1.746.



So how much a series need to sell before it maybe is considered for a season 2 ?
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Haven't watched enough to be sure what is average.
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Posted 2/23/15

TheAncientOne wrote:


Charlieandthetrollingfactory wrote:

The cliffhanger ending was pretty lame but at I think it sold pretty well so hopefully there will be a second season at some point.

Unfortunately, Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance didn't sell well. Volume 1 was the peak, with 2,209 sales. The latest to be released, volume 5 (of 6) sold only 1.746.



Oh damn, that's unfortunate. Welp, will probably read the manga as a substitute then.
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Posted 2/23/15

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TheAncientOne wrote:


Charlieandthetrollingfactory wrote:

The cliffhanger ending was pretty lame but at I think it sold pretty well so hopefully there will be a second season at some point.

Unfortunately, Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance didn't sell well. Volume 1 was the peak, with 2,209 sales. The latest to be released, volume 5 (of 6) sold only 1.746.



So how much a series need to sell before it maybe is considered for a season 2 ?


A "decent" amount of sales is roughly over 3,000 sales.
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Of all the genres I've explored, I'd have to say that Harem is the least innovate & most generic of them all. It's pretty much a paint-by-numbers moefest with fanservice up to 11, no story, & an insulting lack of character development.

I'd say that Sister Princess was the most bland I'd ever seen, & I only watched it because it was available through "Comcast on Demand" back in the early 2000s. I couldn't tell you anything about the girls, they were all bland & samey with different designs.



Reverse harem isn't really any better, while the male protagonist in Harem is usually either 1) a complete weenie, socially awkward, bland looking, shy & oblivious. 2) a ridiculously handsome jerkass narcissist & serial sexual harasser. The female protagonist in Reverse Harem is usually a complete Mary Sue, who happens to be clumsy & has low self esteem because those are the only acceptable faults, & is emotionally & physically weak & demure to a fault, which sickens me. Yeah, there are exceptions...Those exceptions are why I haven't entirely given up on the genre.

The Unwanted Harem is a big step up. I just wish one of them had the balls to actually friendzone the entire harem at the end & hook up with either an unimportant background character or a new character, basically a Troll Ending. I have heard that Negima ends that way, & I really wish that's how the Ouran High manga had ended.
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