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Posted 4/9/15

nanikore2 wrote:
Oh yes. Like I've said, for a moment I thought it's going to be only regarding respective beliefs and not assumptions regarding others' beliefs. I was expecting too much.


was just my philosophical input into why people want to believe there is something after deathlife.

philosophy mostly requires guesswork on other people's social behaviour and reasonings why they behave like they do.
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If there were a soul on top of that, wouldn't we just be emotionless, thoughtless, languageless non-beings without the brain?


Not necessarily, since what you just labeled as emotion, thoughts, and language are terms that have been tacitly linked to the physical. Without the physical, there would be items that would be linked to the non-physical. To that, there would be no proof either way.
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nanikore2 wrote:
Oh yes. Like I've said, for a moment I thought it's going to be only regarding respective beliefs and not assumptions regarding others' beliefs. I was expecting too much.


was just my philosophical input into why people want to believe there is something after deathlife.

philosophy mostly requires guesswork on other people's social behaviour and reasonings why they behave like they do.


I would like to inform you that what you did wasn't philosophy at all.
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Simple oblivion.No beautifully embellished metaphors or quaint philosophies just blackness.
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I used to think that we would go to either Heaven (beautiful endless cities above the clouds) or hell (burning pits of fire) upon dying, but recently it's come to my thoughts that it will be nothing but endless nothingness. Before we're born and have any sense of being alive, we don't know anything about pre-life. Before we're born, we didn't come from heaven or hell nor do we retain any memories so I don't really see why we wouldn't return to that state once we pass.
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A never ending darkness. Like when you sleep and its just darkness.
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You become gasoline. That is all.
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While I'd like to go somewhere special after death, be it some heaven, I believe that is sadly just wishful thinking. Though I think I will have lived a dope enough life by that time, hopefully having had done some cool stuff in the process, that I will be content and can die knowing I had a good run. I personally think that thinking about the afterlife too much is a bad thing, since you stop living in the life you are in now...
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The beauty of faith is that you may find it later, there is no need to be hostile towards non-believers who may go back to a belief at a later time.
As for objectivity , take that and reflect that back on the caster. Its obvious "guesswork" what their ulterior motives might be. *cough* GAB *cough*




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Posted 4/9/15

nanikore2 wrote:


Schmooples wrote:
If there were a soul on top of that, wouldn't we just be emotionless, thoughtless, languageless non-beings without the brain?


Not necessarily, since what you just labeled as emotion, thoughts, and language are terms that have been tacitly linked to the physical. Without the physical, there would be items that would be linked to the non-physical. To that, there would be no proof either way.


If there are characteristics that belong to the consciousness of the soul, what are they? Why does every aspect of a person seem changeable through the brain? Why do we not experience the aspects of the soul in unconsciousness? Do we receive a soul upon death, not in life?

My question are to understand, not to attack your beliefs. I don't understand what there could be to a person outside of memories, emotion, and thoughts, all of which are controlled by the brain, but if there is anything, I would like to understand. The fact that the brain is in charge of all seems like proof to me.
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Posted 4/9/15

Schmooples wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:


Schmooples wrote:
If there were a soul on top of that, wouldn't we just be emotionless, thoughtless, languageless non-beings without the brain?


Not necessarily, since what you just labeled as emotion, thoughts, and language are terms that have been tacitly linked to the physical. Without the physical, there would be items that would be linked to the non-physical. To that, there would be no proof either way.


If there are characteristics that belong to the consciousness of the soul, what are they? Why does every aspect of a person seem changeable through the brain? Why do we not experience the aspects of the soul in unconsciousness? Do we receive a soul upon death, not in life?

My question are to understand, not to attack your beliefs. I don't understand what there could be to a person outside of memories, emotion, and thoughts, all of which are controlled by the brain, but if there is anything, I would like to understand. The fact that the brain is in charge of all seems like proof to me.


This is called biological determinism. According to the rules of a theology, what is there to say functions aren't revived (resurrected) after cessation? As for proof, you don't need that if you have faith.



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Who knows? There would be no way for us to remember considering all of our knowledge and experiences are stored in our brain. There just would never be a way to know for sure.
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Dark_Childe wrote:


Schmooples wrote:

If there are characteristics that belong to the consciousness of the soul, what are they? Why does every aspect of a person seem changeable through the brain? Why do we not experience the aspects of the soul in unconsciousness? Do we receive a soul upon death, not in life?

My question are to understand, not to attack your beliefs. I don't understand what there could be to a person outside of memories, emotion, and thoughts, all of which are controlled by the brain, but if there is anything, I would like to understand. The fact that the brain is in charge of all seems like proof to me.


This is called biological determinism. According to the rules of a theology, what is there to say functions aren't revived (resurrected) after cessation? As for proof, you don't need that if you have faith.



Many belief system do try to acquire evidence or, at least, some logical mechanism. That's all I'm trying to find here, really - it has nothing to do with a specific faith. Just because faith can override proof, it doesn't mean that proof shouldn't be desired or sought after. Wouldn't you rather everyone be correct?

By what mechanism is function restored, and into what is it stored? The brain would be, after all, gone. Are we given another physical brain?
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I don't really know.

I believe that physically, we die, and in that moment, the body becomes a non-living thing. Sounds kind of obvious, but it's kinda of important, because if something is just a thing, it gets reclassified as just "stuff" and doesn't get the special status life instills. A corpse is a corpse and can be broken down, it's parts reused, eaten, whatever. NBD. You want a necklace of human teeth ripped from corpses? It's kinda creepy, but it's no different to me than a necklace made from diamonds. It's just material.

The mind/soul on the other hand......

I don't think information can be destroyed nor erased really. So the mind, the personality, etc. may be dispersed or assimilated into other things or temporarily "lost" but it always continues to exist.

Does it get funneled back into the great mixing pool of souls? I don't know. I remember once reading a buddhist or taoist metaphor where they compared a single human life or "soul" to a raindrop. As it falls and retains the shape of a raindrop, we can identify it as that particular raindrop, but when it hits the ground and mixes with other droplets and then eventually mixes with a river or lake, we no longer can differentiate it from the mass it has joined. Eventually it evaporates and it's parts, along with the constituent parts of other drops, forms a new rain drop, which falls to the earth, to start the cycle again.

I think that's the theory I hold to the most. To become a part of the greater whole of humanity, (and my personal goals to become something so powerful as to somehow influence and change the waters of humanity itself, or redirect it to my own desires.. I am nothing if not plotting on a grand scale.), that's perhaps the best option to me.

The traditional view of reincarnation, My self being extracted and inserted into another body, but still being the same self, strikes me as being incredibly tedious and boring. Though it does, in a way, feel great to think you may live as yourself forever, in some fashion or other).

Heaven, as traditionally believed, is simply not a place for me. It's too bright and too shiny for a person like myself. I live to fight and to strive in a sense. To do and to create.... traditional heaven has none of that. And my family members and friends? They are a transient thing for me. I cannot imagine them always being by my side, nor would I want that. I'm like a cat, a fox, a trickster... Heaven has no place like that for me.

Hell.... Ooog... There are hells far worse than the traditional fire and devils with pitchforks. Eternal pain. Eternal darkness. Eternal fear. Eternal loneliness.... So much worse. The concept of being truly forsaken by a god is one most cannot truly fathom. I would cherish an afterlife of brimstone and demons and find a way to call it my home, if not build an empire within it, if only to avoid the worse fates I can picture.

The best in between traditional heaven and hell would be the belief of a world like ours. Rolling green hills and forests, the sea, and all seeming brighter.... a version of this world but without aging and death. A vast growing expanse to explore and enjoy throughout timelessness and eternity.

Still, the mixing of the human "souls" idea I first mentioned is the one I'd bet money on
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