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Demarz wrote:

I want to make a thread like this for shows like Love Live! It still baffles me to see the mindless drones eat up those music and "cute" "little" girls. In before a fan screams "They are fighting for their dreams, blah blah blah". Weirdos.


Then you should. I just doubt you would have any basis for it since you probably never finished, much less tried those shows.
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I was one of those people who had a hard time getting into Kill la Kill, as well as Trigger's previous work, Gurren Lagaan. It was a lot of mindless fighting at first, but it wasn't until the plot became clearer that the story made sense as a whole. It took me roughly 4 or tries to say this was a series worth enjoying. I'm sure others have ran into this problem.
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From my perspective, Kill La Kill is one of those (mindless) action anime that people were tooting for just to spite the Attack on Titan hype train. I remember for a period that I could not hear anything about AoT without hearing about what KLK does better than it - which was only limited to consistent action and fanservice.


If I recall, I think there might have been a similar dynamic between Gurren Lagann and Code Geass, but I might be wrong. Just because they were running at the same time and competed in terms of popularity doesn't mean the only reason why anybody liked the show was that they disliked another show. In fact, that's a logical fallacy.
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Demarz wrote:

I want to make a thread like this for shows like Love Live! It still baffles me to see the mindless drones eat up those music and "cute" "little" girls. In before a fan screams "They are fighting for their dreams, blah blah blah". Weirdos.


Then you should. I just doubt you would have any basis for it since you probably never finished, much less tried those shows.


The first "knight" of LL!, of season 1 completed 9 episodes, went back for episode 10 and finished half of that before quits, to get a full sense of the character Eli, and yes it was below average. Season 2, finished 5 episodes to see if the series improved, it did not, if anything rated it lower 3/10. That was enough of that. Continue, blah blah blahing.
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Demarz wrote:

I want to make a thread like this for shows like Love Live! It still baffles me to see the mindless drones eat up those music and "cute" "little" girls. In before a fan screams "They are fighting for their dreams, blah blah blah". Weirdos.


Then you should. I just doubt you would have any basis for it since you probably never finished, much less tried those shows.


The first "knight" of LL!, of season 1 completed 9 episodes, went back for episode 10 and finished half of that before quits, to get a full sense of the character Eli, and yes it was below average. Season 2, finished 5 episodes to see if the series improved, it did not, if anything rated it lower 3/10. That was enough of that. Continue, blah blah blahing.


So one idol show that you half-assed in watching makes all the other shows in its genre unlikable...roger that. I don't know why i expected you to say anything logical anyway. That was my fault, so I'm sorry. You should make that thread though.

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First I threw out The Rules of Anime Logic

Then I watched and enjoyed ! I dont think it was so much overated in the Seasons that it aired I gave nods to other shows!

Personally it sounds like you hate the fans more than the show! The best counter talk about other shows.

In Fall 2013 Shows like Kyousogiga / Yozakura Quartet: Hana no Uta /Coppelion / Arpeggio of Blue Steel / Outbreak Company / Non Non Biyori / Teekyuu 3 outpaced KLK!

For Winter 2014 shows like Engaged to the Unidentified / D-Frag! / No-Rin / Silver Spoon Season 2 / Space Dandy / Tonari no Seki-kun: The Master of Killing Time / Seitokai Yakuindomo Season 2 /Love, Chunibyo & Other Delusions 2 / Nisekoi / Noragami etc held my interest!
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Posted 2/23/15 , edited 2/23/15

GoldTStar wrote:

So one idol show that you half-assed in watching makes all the other shows in its genre unlikable...roger that. I don't know why i expected you to say anything logical anyway. That was my fault, so I'm sorry. You should make that thread though.



Apology accepted.
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Posted 2/23/15

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GoldTStar wrote:

So one idol show that you half-assed in watching makes all the other shows in its genre unlikable...roger that. I don't know why i expected you to say anything logical anyway. That was my fault, so I'm sorry. You should make that thread though.



Apology accepted.


Why'd you edit the "weeb"? Enjoying idol shows make you a weeaboo, apparently. Did you make the thread yet?
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GoldTStar wrote:

It is true that people will make their own judgement about the work for themselves, regardless of how it's meant to be portrayed. I can make up symbolic semblances in the most ecchi of shows as well. If it becomes a popular trend for the most vocal of watchers for said show, then it will be deemed actuality for those who want to conform to that belief.


Right, and that's what I mean: whether Kill la Kill was supposed to be a parody of magical girl series, shounen action series, and ecchi or not that's what it is to a noticeable amount of viewers. Since there's enough source material to draw upon to support that interpretation it's a reasonably strong one, though not the only valid one. Viewed from a different angle it's just as plausible that Kill la Kill was a cash-in taking advantage of the same triggers (badum tiss) that got people so enthusiastic about Gurren Lagann. Yet a third perspective that has at least some interpretation is that it can be interpreted as being useful for a discussion about worn technology.

That last one is where things get really interesting: whether a work plausibly "means" something or not, regardless of whether it has any depth whatsoever, it can be useful for promoting dialogue about an important topic. Kill la Kill can promote discussion about Fascism, social classes, worn technology, Japanese history, or lots of other subjects.


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I mean,I could type out a proper response, but that is basically what that concept of authors intent being meaningless comes down to.




To be fair, I might've just misunderstood what Bless was getting at.


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If I'm understanding this right it's not so much the idea that the Author's intent is irrelevant, but rather the Author's interpretation of their work does not trump anyone else's. This is basically a Reader Response approach, it's a school of literary and by extension fictional criticism which focuses on the various responses and interpretations people have of a given work. Essentially what it boils down to is that the content of the work matters more than what the author intended the content to be. People will view that content differently, and so Reader Response criticism denies that there exists an objectively correct interpretation of a given work.

At the same time though it gives the text any number of subjective truths. The text has no defined meaning until the reader interacts with it and forms an interpretation. This should not however be read as the person simply projecting themselves onto the work. A valid reading is something created by synthesis between the reader and the work they've read. Thus while the novel's meaning is subjective if it's going to be taken seriously it has to have some basis in the text's content. By the same token the book itself doesn't have any essential meaning unless it is interacted with. For the reader, viewer etc this is when it is read, the author has their reading set when they conceptualize of a work and actually write it. Thus it ultimately boils down to the idea that no matter what the work people are going to read it very differently, and none of these various interpretations, including the author's, is objectively true. One of the primary advantages of this theory is that it allows various viewpoints to come to light about the material, and allows people to further their own understanding of the text by critically examining what others have said about it.

For a more formal explanation I'll leave this here: http://bcs.bedfordstmartins.com/virtualit/poetry/critical_define/crit_reader.html

At the same time I'm arguing this though, I think it's wrong to say that the author's interpretation isn't special in some sense. While it may not be supreme with regards to the meaning of the work, their point of view is what generates the content in the first place which while it can be viewed in any number of ways may narrow the number of ways in which it can be credibly interpreted.


I tend toward thinking that the author's intent establishes just that: what the work was intended to do. Whether that's what the work actually did is a question the audience holds primacy in answering since they're the ones that are supposed to be reading and interpreting the work. I could intend to say "I baked blueberry muffins" by writing "The seal bounced a ball", but I sure didn't convey my meaning to the audience with that.


Demarz wrote:

I want to make a thread like this for shows like Love Live! It still baffles me to see the mindless drones eat up those music and "cute" "little" girls. In before a fan screams "They are fighting for their dreams, blah blah blah". Weirdos.


You can troll with a provocative statement or an "in before" statement, but you can't have both in the same post. You're doing it wrong.
Posted 2/23/15

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When people go off about how the whole thing message behind KLK is deep and all these things I really think they're just putting their own biases and opinions into something that probably isn't exactly there. The reason Ryuko's and Satsuki's tits and asses are out is because HELL YEAH TITS AND ASSES not some deep 'feminist' commentary about how women should be free in their nudity or femininity or something. While there might have been some and while they may have tried to guise it as that they probably just really wanted to animate a girl's ass.

KLK had a good animation style, but it was just mostly whacky fun and I don't think it was meant to be looked at on a deep level. Not that there's anything bad about that, but I didn't care about it. I didn't like KLK, but it had some good points. I just think it's dumb how people parade around praising it for being 'feminist' when it objectifies the shit out of young girls and is meant to be sexually appealing to older men as these girls get the shit beaten out of them in these skimpy outfits, like, that is not something I'd see as entirely feminist.

Anyway, it wasn't the worst series either, but it wasn't the best either.


I don´t heard anyone, ANYONE, praise it for that, despite most of the boys and girls I know being huge fans of the show. IT´s just that I don´t know I single person (and I have dozens of friends/aquantainces), who are interested in feminism anyway.



If you frequent tumblr you would have seen ALOT of discussion about the feminist commentary behind KLK in the tags and just all over with that fandom. At least this was the case in my corner of tumblr.
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I Don't Know man, but i better get my fill of it before it goes mainstream like sword art and attack on titan yeah you know how it is
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