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Posted 3/4/15
The 30% of kids missing the day is the thing to look at. As a school district you are wasting resources having an instructional day when a third of your students are going to be absent. Better to shift a teacher planning day over to those dates each year, and that instructional day to another day. This has little to do with Islam, it is simply using limited time and resources effectively.
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K3n21 wrote:

Better then building a mosque.


What's wrong with that?
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And? Who cares?
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K3n21 wrote:

Better then building a mosque.


And the problem with that is what?

Folks need to read some of the votes that the founding fathers did when becoming president.
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Baka-God wrote:

Uh this is awkward.

Here in the Netherlands students and children with a religion can actually write a formal letter ( signed by their parents if they're still a minor) requesting a day off due a religious event and most of the schools comply and give them the day off.

I got the day off myself during the day of chinese new year, although this wasn't because of a religion


Seems like a great system to me. Have school and if you need to take a holiday for religious reasons then that's fine, but there is still school.
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Personally it doesn't matter to me what the school decides but to be honest I worry for the future of these kids "not just in NY but everywhere"
Our education system is one of the worst in the world. If America wants to stay competitive they need to copy the Japanese school system.
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ssxtitan wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

Uh this is awkward.

Here in the Netherlands students and children with a religion can actually write a formal letter ( signed by their parents if they're still a minor) requesting a day off due a religious event and most of the schools comply and give them the day off.

I got the day off myself during the day of chinese new year, although this wasn't because of a religion


Seems like a great system to me. Have school and if you need to take a holiday for religious reasons then that's fine, but there is still school.


That sounds amazing. I feel as that even if we had that system, people would try to abuse it though.
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The religious thing is not the issue. The issue is that we are adopting foreign holidays. We should only have holidays that are meaningful for the country, not have them just because some outsiders want to feel at home. Christmas, Halloween, and Easter are religious holidays, so I don't think religion is going to be worth arguing unless the goal is to raise weak, irrelevant arguments. How much the holiday matters culturally is a much more relevant issue.

They don't let us take a day of for Lunar New Year. And there are way more people celebrating that in the world. It's basically as big of a deal as New Year. We just do our work and go to school and celebrate during the closest available weekend. It's not hard.

I don't think we should be so hasty in adopting the holidays of other places. Every day would be a holiday. Yeah, yeah, I know. Breaks are fun for us but having too many days off is bad for productivity. Each country should celebrate holidays that are meaningful to its population. You don't go to other countries and demand that they make you the same food you had at home or that they speak your language. You also don't demand that they celebrate your holiday and that they must do it even if it happens to be always a wednesday or something.

It's fine if your family or like-minded community would like to celebrate, but that community does not usually include the public schools in a foreign country. Write a note and get a day off. Or defer the celebration until you have a better time. Don't make everyone skip school for something meaningless to most of them. Even if 30% find it a meaningful holiday, 70% do not.
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I wonder if in a few years people will start calling it "Fall Holiday"
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What happened to separation of church and state, used to pray and all sorts of stuff in school they took it out. As far as im concerned they shouldn't acknowledge any religion in school. This is just a political move and a bad one. I hope he takes repercussions for it.
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Not really sure of my stance on this. I think the Muslim students should be allowed to celebrate their religious holiday, but not sure if it's that necessary to close school for it. Do schools close for Jewish kids when Hanukkah starts? I'm not Jewish and not that familiar with Hanukkah, so I do not know. It seems to start on different days in December, is this correct? I know in my area Christmas takes place during Winter Break.....so the schools are already closed. Easter takes place during Spring Break therefore schools are already closed. However because of all the snow days, kids have to make them up. I don't believe my area is having a spring break. So I see it as both. It's a violation of the separation of church and state as not every kid is a Muslim.It's also a violation of religious freedom if the Muslim kids are not able to celebrate their religious holiday because they will be counted as absent or whatever. The Muslim kids should at least be allowed to be exempt from school on their religious holidays. I just don't see why the whole school needs to be closed for the Muslim holidays.

Note: I'm am looking from how my area celebrates certain holidays. From my knowledge schools do not get out for religious holidays. The only holidays I know that schools in my area close on are our Country holidays(i.e. Memorial Day, President's Day). Like I stated the religious holidays take place during breaks, so we already have off. Though the breaks may be in regards to celebrating those holidays....I'm not entirely sure how how the school system works.

I guess it's a good thing as the Muslim students are allowed to take part in their religious beliefs and not have worry about making up school. I just am unsure if closing the school down is necessary in order to do that.

This is definitely a flame thread.......so I'm just going to post my opinion here and just be on my way. I don't want to get into any religious or political debate. Have a great day everyone.
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As a devout follower of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (He who boiled for our sins......Ramen) I should have every other Friday to observer out holy sacraments (Booze Blackjack and Hookers)

May his Meatballs be forever on your chin.............Ramen
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Posted 3/4/15 , edited 3/4/15

J-POP187 wrote:

Personally it doesn't matter to me what the school decides but to be honest I worry for the future of these kids "not just in NY but everywhere"
Our education system is one of the worst in the world. If America wants to stay competitive they need to copy the Japanese school system.


I don't know about copying Japan's school system outright. Yeah it does a lot of things right, but their main idea of education is just to cram as many facts into the kids' heads as they can. Not to mention it's built entirely around taking exams. And trust me, just because you can pass a test doesn't mean you'll remember what you learned when it's all over.

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Posted 3/4/15 , edited 3/4/15
The last thing the American education system needs is another holiday or interruption for it failing students. Then again it seems most people including the government are giving up on educating the masses anymore, so I guess it’s a small matter.
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narfington wrote:

I don't know about copying Japan's school system outright. Yeah it does a lot of things right, but their main idea of education is just to cram as many facts into the kids' heads as they can. Not to mention it's built entirely around taking exams. And trust me, just because you can pass a test doesn't mean you'll remember what you learned when it's all over.


Lest we forget the outrageously high youth suicide rate. There's a lot I love about Japan, but there's also a lot I hang my head in sadness, frustration, or disappointment over.
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