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Did somebody say that science was created? You can't be serious. Please, tell me they're joking.


Many aspects of science were created. Math is simply a language to get a result, like a language. It only means something because it is universally accepted. Science didn't just fall from a tree, it's the commulation of theories and knowledge put to use.Or are you saying 1+1 was there already?


That's like saying perspective was created. Imagination was created. Intelligence was created.
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kamahl01 wrote:


narutosonic330 wrote:

Did somebody say that science was created? You can't be serious. Please, tell me they're joking.


Many aspects of science were created. Math is simply a language to get a result, like a language. It only means something because it is universally accepted. Science didn't just fall from a tree, it's the commulation of theories and knowledge put to use.Or are you saying 1+1 was there already?


That's like saying perspective was created. Imagination was created. Intelligence was created.


I think discovery is the word, ya'lls looking fer.
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I think discovery is the word, ya'lls looking fer.


There we go. That works better.
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kamahl01 wrote:


narutosonic330 wrote:

Did somebody say that science was created? You can't be serious. Please, tell me they're joking.


Many aspects of science were created. Math is simply a language to get a result, like a language. It only means something because it is universally accepted. Science didn't just fall from a tree, it's the commulation of theories and knowledge put to use.Or are you saying 1+1 was there already?


That's like saying perspective was created. Imagination was created. Intelligence was created.





narutosonic330 wrote:


pandrasb wrote:


I think discovery is the word, ya'lls looking fer.


There we go. That works better.


"Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge"[2]) is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about nature and the universe. This knowledge is determined through the scientific method by experiments and observations, and may take the form of scientific facts, scientific models, or scientific theories".

The discovery term makes sense for some branches of science like astronomy and life science, but formal science was created based off of scientific principals.









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They don't believe the logic that is being found.
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Because scientists are human and make mistakes?

Just look up the great works of Nancy Wertheimer and Ed Leeper who proved that living near electric powerlines caused cancer.

Except.....it doesn't. STILL TO THIS DAY, their work is quoted.

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Did you seriously just make this thread? *sigh*
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Because all throughout history even scientists have doubted science when it didn't conform to how they viewed the world.

Galileo discovered the galaxy didn't revolve around the earth but that Earth revolved around the sun was excommunicated by the religious community and was ridiculed by the scientific community.

Gregor Mendel discovered the significance of hereditary traits in genetics but his experiments were ignored for decades.

Alfred wegener discovered continental drift in 1912 but the scientific community viewed him as an outsider and so they ignored his findings. It wasn't until the 1950s and early 1960s that scientists eventually came to terms with his theories.

The list goes on and on. Why should we believe what they say when they don't even believe concrete proof themselves?
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people seek out anecdotal evidence that supports what they want to believe, instead of seeking out evidence in an open minded manor. I believe its human nature, though I don't agree that these people are reasonable, in fact I think it is the opposite of reasonable.
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The main reason is that many things taught as "science" are...unreasonable. Confirmation bias and peer pressure are powerful indeed...
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neugenx wrote:Science in the past has told us that we should eat plenty of red meat, plenty of well done meat, no red meat, no under cooked red meat, no well done red meat and even no meat at all. Can we believe science? In a word no. If science was flawless and perfect we could possibly believe but as of now the facts that prove science are found/discovered/hypothesized by human beings; flawed human beings who have a habit of getting things wrong due to miscalculations, wrong facts, shoddy evidence, incomplete studies (using too small a study group or a mismatched study group), as well as, numerous other factors that can turn science fiction into science fact.

No matter how flawed, at least science IS an attempt to make some sense of the reality around us, unlike the fiction of whatever fairy tales people may pray to...
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Why do many reasonable people doubt science?

Laziness, societal class tiers, general stupidity, tribalistic ideas... pretty much in that order.... At least that has been my experience.
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neugenx wrote:Science in the past has told us that we should eat plenty of red meat, plenty of well done meat, no red meat, no under cooked red meat, no well done red meat and even no meat at all. Can we believe science? In a word no. If science was flawless and perfect we could possibly believe but as of now the facts that prove science are found/discovered/hypothesized by human beings; flawed human beings who have a habit of getting things wrong due to miscalculations, wrong facts, shoddy evidence, incomplete studies (using too small a study group or a mismatched study group), as well as, numerous other factors that can turn science fiction into science fact.

No matter how flawed, at least science IS an attempt to make some sense of the reality around us, unlike the fiction of whatever fairy tales people may pray to...


Yes, science may be "an attempt" to get things right but science can be just as flawed and dangerous when gotten wrong as any fiction and/or false beliefs/fairy tales. When put in the hands of the wrong scientists, Science can be quite deadly indeed. A well known case of this is an animal by the name of Josef Mengele who experimented on human beings during World War 2 in evil and grotesque ways in the name of science. It may be an extreme case but its one of the best to prove a scientists flawed perspective causing more pain and suffering "in the name of science". These days it's scientists who'll try to manipulate the data to prove the point of whichever companies are paying thier scientific grants. While not as bad as the Nazi experiments it can be quite as evil or deadly in some cases. Blind faith, whether in religion or in science is a dangerous animal in itself.
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Because all throughout history even scientists have doubted science when it didn't conform to how they viewed the world.

Galileo discovered the galaxy didn't revolve around the earth but that Earth revolved around the sun was excommunicated by the religious community and was ridiculed by the scientific community.

Gregor Mendel discovered the significance of hereditary traits in genetics but his experiments were ignored for decades.

Alfred wegener discovered continental drift in 1912 but the scientific community viewed him as an outsider and so they ignored his findings. It wasn't until the 1950s and early 1960s that scientists eventually came to terms with his theories.

The list goes on and on. Why should we believe what they say when they don't even believe concrete proof themselves?


Actually it was Copernicus not Galileo and it was the earth going around the sun. Galileo is famous for basically speaking his mind and was excommunicate for defending science and a new world view which was correct. As I stated before people really have a hard time letting go of their world view. While Wegener had the theory, until there was proof it was just that another theory. Proof came when they mapped the ocean floors and saw for the first time the mountains and ridges and fault lines that make up the plates. Once this happened the theory was pretty much taken as fact.

Mendel research on traits was ignored this isn't uncommon again you are trying to shift mind sets that are hard to change and new ideas tend not to take root easily. Once they had exhausted all other ideas they only had his left which proved out to be correct. This isn't uncommon specially with new fields. The more complex the idea and the more specialized and fewer people researching the subject the harder it is for new ideas to be introduced. But it happens this is a good example of it.

Science is a lot of figuring out how things work in nature, there are set rules for this. But one should always have an open mind when ti comes to it because it is just so cool some of the things that get discovered. But yeah sometimes the crackpot is right other time they are just a crackpot. So be the crackpot but don't be the one that doesn't follow the rules of science.

The Scientific method.
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results
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kamahl01 wrote:


narutosonic330 wrote:

Did somebody say that science was created? You can't be serious. Please, tell me they're joking.


Many aspects of science were created. Math is simply a language to get a result, like a language. It only means something because it is universally accepted. Science didn't just fall from a tree, it's the commulation of theories and knowledge put to use.Or are you saying 1+1 was there already?


the relationship of 1+1 is universal mathematically speaking, the words for the numbers themselves are not.

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