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jordancharacter wrote:


the_warrior_of_ruin wrote:


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GrandMasterTime wrote:

^ I'm glad this guy understands the proper use of the word agnostic.


Obviously you don't. Agnosticism = knowledge, Atheism = belief. You can be agnostic (don't know if a higher being exists) but not believe in God anyway and you can be agnostic and still hold religious beliefs. The terms aren't mutually exclusive


You might want to change "Atheism = belief" It makes no sense. Atheism is a position void of belief. It is simply not believing in gods because no evidence or reason that is given is sufficient. You wouldn't say you believe in the fact that the toothfairy doesn't exist, you would simply say, it doesn't exist because no evidence for it. Having no reason to believe is not a belief.


Edit: I guess I should comply with this thread and say I am an atheist, and since you asked ethnicity and not race, I am English



Well, Atheism= belief in a way. It is the absolute belief that there is no god or gods (since it has not been proven deities do not exist, it is a belief, or something you feel). Agnostics are those who do not believe ( nor disbelieve) based on the evidence, that's where they are different.

I have had this debate quite a few times, and it seems many people choose to identify as Atheists without fully recognizing what it means.


Sorry but your definition of atheism is inaccurate. Atheism is not a belief "in a way" You can listen to many great lectures on this topic or read many books, since I cannot spend so much time going through my book shelf for you, I just did a 2 second inline search to demonstrate the real definitions
Atheism: "The most precise definition may be: an atheist is anyone who does not affirm the proposition "at least one god exists." Although it may seem convoluted, it has a number of important elements: there is a proposition, it's not a proposition made by atheists, and being an atheist requires nothing active or even conscious on the part of the atheist — all that's required is not "affirming" a proposition made by others."
As for Agnostics: "An agnostic is anyone who doesn't claim to know for that any gods exist or not, no matter what their reasons or how they approach the question of whether any gods exist. This is also a simple concept, but it may be as widely misunderstood as atheism is. One major problem is that atheism and agnosticism both deal questions about the existence of gods, but whereas atheism involves what a person does or does not believe, agnosticism involves what a person does or does not know. Belief and knowledge are related but nevertheless separate issues."

The above quotes taken from Austin Cline one of thousands of qualified people to demonstrate the difference, I am not even familiar with him or his work, but it's spot on correct. Hopefully now you know what the terms mean and deal with.

Also your quote "since it has not been proven deities do not exist" is erroneous. Just because something is not falsifiable does not mean anything. You cannot disprove pink invisible dinosaurs live a few galaxy's away, but this does not mean anything or have any validity. It does not mean you must be agnostic about the dinos or actively believe they do not exist, you can simply reject the assumption because there is no reason to accept it. That is not a belief of any kind.
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jordancharacter wrote:

Well, Atheism= belief in a way. It is the absolute belief that there is no god or gods (since it has not been proven deities do not exist, it is a belief, or something you feel). Agnostics are those who do not believe ( nor disbelieve) based on the evidence, that's where they are different.

I have had this debate quite a few times, and it seems many people choose to identify as Atheists without fully recognizing what it means.


Atheism isn't an absolute belief, one can be an agnostic atheist or agnostic theist. agnostics simply believe one can't obtain or have the knowledge to find an objective truth value to the existence of god(s) or other such higher powers, so the objective truth of those existences cannot be known, at least at present.

Basically you can believe in a god(s) and still believe a god(s) existence is not provable, and likewise not believe in the existence of god(s) and also believe that the non-existence of a god(s) is not provable.

To be more specific I'm agnostic atheist, as I don't believe the existence of god can be either proved or disproved. It's simply not a scientific issue at present it's both untestable, and unfalsifiable with current technology, but lack of evidence is not necessarily proof of absence, it's just what seems most likely in my experience.
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I believe in the horrific and beautiful tales of Father Dagon and Mother Hydra, as my ancestors have risen from the briny depths and brought word of their majesty. I know that I, one day, will join my predecessors in the monolithic ruins in the oceanic abyss, and I hope that day will be soon. I know too that in the distant or not-so-distant future, I, as well as those who went before me, and those who will come after me, will rise with the waters themselves to welcome the human race and assimilate them into our life of ritual and prayer, led by none other than the sublimely alien deities I venerate.

I think most people call us "Deep Ones", but of course, we use a different name. I can't pronounce it yet because my gills haven't fully grown in, and it's likewise difficult to render in this language's phonetics. Or any human phonetics, really. Working on it though.

(Seriously though, I'm white - English heritage - and I would likely be considered an atheist by most, though I don't self-identify as one.)
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deer wrote:

Obviously you don't. Agnosticism = knowledge, Atheism = belief. You can be agnostic (don't know if a higher being exists) but not believe in God anyway and you can be agnostic and still hold religious beliefs. The terms aren't mutually exclusive


Agnosticism is a lack of knowledge, the a which is ἀ- in Greek translates to 'without'. The word for gnostic translates to knowledge in Greek. If you're certain that something exists you would say "I'm a gnostic Insert belief or lack of belief here". Also yes the words aren't mutually exclusive.
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Also I'd contend that atheism by itself is the rejection of a belief but individually you still make a conscious effort to self-identify as one. One could say that a tree is an atheist since it lacks a conscious to believe anything but would you call the atheism of the tree to be the same atheism of a human? I don't know how to express this but I believe when someone says that they're an atheist it implies something more that just a rejection of a god.
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Apathetic agnosticism. Caucasoid.
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Belief: Sci-Fiism. Race: Anime. *waves at all the humans* ヽ(๑◠ܫ◠๑)ノ Greetings from the 2nd dimension!

Technically speaking, my species is Animus Anime Shonen-kei, although I'm also part Ecchi-kei. I love mixing with the Hentai-kei around here, but some of them are really F-ed up... They know how to party though. (灬╹ω╹灬) My friends like to joke that I've got a bit of Tentacle in me. I just can't see it though. *OOF* Oh, sorry, just bumped into a buxom classmate and got slapped out of the third floor window. 2nd dimension problems. *teehee* (ノ≧ڡ≦)
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Atheist. White British.
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Atheist, caucasian.
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Please refrain from debates. There are numerous other threads for that. Thanks.
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Maybe CR needs a belief forum page......
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