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Examples Of Sexism In Anime? Should Sexism Bother You? What Makes Certain Kinds of Sexism Okay?
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Lots of wimpy male MCs who have no spine.

Butttt, they still get the girl(s) and/or have success, while non-wimpy females may not have the same sort of success or (worse) get portrayed as villains.

Anime isn't an inherently sexist medium or anything like that, but there are a lot of problems with the way many shows use their female characters.
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Problem in this thread is that you are viewing anime with a western mindset. Sexism doesn't exist in Japan. And by that I don't mean it's not there, but that women over there don't think of it as sexism as a whole. That also doesn't mean that somethings in anime aren't sexist, just that it's a different culture.


Wow, this is just flat-out wrong on every level.

Rape/sexual assault/groping is a huge issue in Japan, and dealing with the proximate and underlying causes are definitely issues that get discussed in Japan in a wide variety of settings. Objectifying women as sex objects in mass media is certainly part of that discussion.

Even more so, the role of women in the workplace--particularly managing work/life balance--is probably the defining social issue in Japanese politics today. It tends to be framed in terms of the low birthrate--how to make the work environment more friendly to women (in general) and women with children (in particular) is one of the big issues that the Abe cabinet is discussing, so as to not discourage an increasingly employed female workforce from having children. And many liberal politicians in Japan recognize that part of the solution will be to change traditional attitudes about gender roles in the home.

Finally, Japanese anime makers increasingly understand that they are making shows for a global--and not just a Japanese--audience. Part of that is creating shows that won't offend American or European viewers who might be more sensitive to issues of sexism than a Japanese audience, where cultural differences do exist.

All of which is to say that the Japanese are wrestling with the exact same issues regarding sexism, gender roles, and mass media's influence on society that the rest of the industrialized world is dealing with.
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I heard someone called High School DxD sexist and it makes me wonder about sexism in the anime industry. Is there a sexist trend in anime nowadays? Is fanservice sexist? What is sexism, and how does it appear in anime? What are some examples of sexist anime?


Ohhh boy... You have done it now!!! Someone said High School DxD is sexist??? I'd like to you to tell that person to go fuck off! I'm sorry If i'm been to forward but High School DxD is a M-rated show. A show that I love and whose story is actually more intricate than people give it credit for. BTW, the OVA is been release tomorrow and the show starts in April (need to get my Funimation subscription ASAP).

Now, in all seriousness, I'll give you my take on all this bullshit whether something is sexist or not.

First, I'd like to point out that these are my opinions and are constructed from some fact but aren't all necessarily facts and more industry standards. In case the OP doesn't know, High School DxD is a show that is adapted from a Light Novel series (I love the series and it's probably better than the anime). This series is rated R/M/+17 and up in Japan because there's nudity and some sexual content but there hasn't been sex in it yet (It's the ultimate tease tbh and I fucking love it). Now, that we got that out of the way lets get to the meaty stuff.

Second, Is DxD sexist? No!!! Why? Issei never puts down any of the girls that are into him. In fact, while he want to take advantage of many situations and dreams about doing it he never does anything because he knows what's like to play with someone's heart and then crush it (this happened to him in the beginning of the series).

Is there sexism in High School DxD? No! According to Merrian-Webster sexism is unfair treatment of people because of their sex; especially : unfair treatment of women (see http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism). Again, this never happens in DxD in fact, all the girls are so much better at everything and have more abilities, have a higher position and intelligence than Issei (Rias is the king of the group on top of been a princess and head of the club, Akeno is the queen of the group and vice-president of the group, Asia/Xenovia/Koneko/Irina and the girls to come are all better in school, have more friends and can hold themselves in battle.)

So, you may ask why are all the girls trying to land Issei? Well, he does happen to be a perv (a hilarious one at that) but he's the nicest guy, he always listen to anything they say and tries to make them feel better and never abuses their trust. See Issei hosts a dragon (Ddraig) and that is the equivalent of been a rockstar in DxD. Rockstars even the ugly ones have a multitude of girls throwing themselves at them after every concert and they don't necessarily need to be nice to them or try to build a relationship with them. Most of the time they have sex and that was it. I hope you can see why DxD isn't sexist or uses sexism. However, DxD is a mature anime/manga/LNs series with sexual content but I don't understand how critics are against DxD but can't wait to watch the next episode of whatever HBO series they're into because almost all HBO series have hyper sexuality and sex and sexism but that's ok because they're a real show not cartoons... LOL

Third, Is the anime industry sexist, as a whole I'd say no; however, there are sections of the industry that are sexist and use sexism extremely (Hentai been the obvious choice here). In fact, more and more harem show have an MC that never uses any opportunity that arises from willing female characters. Case in point, Infinite Stratos, The MC sucks and is from a fighting view point average at best all the girls are better but they like him at lot because he's nice, can cook better than all of them and basically doesn't prefer one girl over the other. Nisekoi same thing. In Sailor Moon, all the girls are stronger than the one guy and the bad people are usually guys, is it sexist? no that's the genre and I'm totally ok with it (otherwise we'd have reverse sexism and that's is hilarious).

As for fanservice itself... well I'm sorry but everywhere you go and everywhere you look you'll see fanservice. Example, I know people in America never even think about this but what are the most popular shows in Central and South America??? Novelas. Why? Because they're the equivalent of fanservice for women. In fact, in "Novelas" the focus is never on the guys but the girls and the Female MC is basically the most beautiful/attractive person the world has ever known and every guy good or bad has to have her. The High School DxD LNs (the actual Canon) are fanservice but not to the extend of the anime series. TNK has taken every opportunity to put fanservice in it because fanservice sells. Sex sells a lot (see http://marketing.about.com/od/eventandseminarmarketing/a/tradeshowtech.htm) but this isn't the opposite of anything done anywhere else. HBO does it so do all the network shows. In fact, all the most popular shows in tv have some sort of fanservice in it for the intended audience (is anyone here seriously going to debate that Fifty Shades of Gray isn't fanservice... please!)

I'm sorry for the wall of text but this is an issue that I have seen come up for sometime and you finally woke up the beast by saying that someone basically try to snub High School DxD because it was sexist or fanservicy (no shit ask that person what his/her favorite shows are you'll probably see the kind of fanservice he/she likes right away!). Now, one thing that I'd like to ask of the OP, why are you always trying to start a conversation but never really give your thoughts on the spot why wait until after you can read what other people comments are. You're 18 and you should be able to have an opinion whether right or wrong and said opinion can then be change for the better or worse after you read the feedback to your questions. Otherwise, I'd think that you're a troll and just trying to get attention which would mean that I and other wouldn't be interested in answering your questions anymore.

Finally, I'd like to point out that the question of sexism or whether something is sexist is very dependent on a viewer bias. Example, I'm able to watch any type of show and not be offended because I know that perhaps I'm not the target audience for said show (think Sailor Moon, Novelas, etc). People need to stop been overly sensitive and understand that you'll not always get your way. We need to be equal under the law not actually be equal (I joke a lot with my friends in college and see how overly sensitive about stupid things they can be with me but automatically adjust if it's their dad/mom/coach that says the same thing).

TL;DR High School DxD isn't sexist nor uses sexism. The industry as a whole isn't sexist in fact, they're very supportive of women (Hentai is the opposite but the same can be said about Porn in the US). The OP needs to have an opinion within his questions otherwise people will think you're a troll. Ohhh and if you're offended because anime has big tits then I'd seriously ask you to reevaluate why something as stupid as that can have such a reaction out of you (they do exist in real life you know).
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Here's a question: Which would you consider more sexist?:

1. A show that has wall-to-wall female fanservice.

2. A show that has no fan service at all, but where there is a strong current of "You're a woman, so sit quietly on the sidelines while I, the male, protect you"?

I know which one bothers me more, and it isn't the fanservice.
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Um...are there any woman in this forum thread?
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I honestly don't think that sexism in anime is an issue. I mean there are so many different types out there, that appeal so so many different people. I mean when i first read the title, I laughed and said to myself "What sexism?", I actually had to stop and think about where it does appear.
Maybe in the anime I tend to watch, it simply is a non issue. But I'm certain it isn't an issue in general.
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@Mnmike is completely right! Women in the workforce is the political issue of the decade in Japan (see http://www.wsj.com/articles/abes-goal-for-more-women-in-japans-workforce-prompts-debate-1410446737) . In part because Japanese society and people are so god damn hardheaded about how much they have to follow their bloody traditional structure. Japan here's a hint, in the age of capitalism no one is force to have to serve someone. If a woman wants to get educated and earn a living let her do it! Aren't you bitching about a stagnated economy that hasn't grown in decade well letting more people that want to work work and having a better work-life balance would help. I love Japan but the work-life balance is atrocious! I'd never work in Japan if it means having to basically sleep at the office all the time.

I'm just going to say that @kitsuneshoujo is an uninformed person an somehow just says things without first researching (The internet can be use and should be use for more than just anime dude). Sexual assault is a huge issue in Japan (see http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/International/story?id=803965).


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Um...are there any woman in this forum thread?


This my friend is the sad truth. There are a lot of women/girls that visit/have/watch anime on crunchyroll but won't comment because they're afraid of the backlash from assholes that most of the time threaten them because they're afraid that other normal males/guys like you and me are interested in what they have to say and how their opinion help us make the site and society better for both genders because most of them are afraid of cooking. (Assholes go turn on HGTV and the Food Network you'll learn to cook and impress chick/girls/women with it instead of expecting things from them). See ( http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/06/how-to-get-more-women-to-join-the-debate/?_r=0 and http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2015/01/08/speak-women/)

However, girls/women please don't feel afraid and please comment. There'll be assholes like everywhere else and they might threaten you or maybe you just don't want to comment because it might feel out of place but please do because it helps. Don't be afraid of threats most of the assholes that threaten people never do anything and are basically little men that feel embolden by the unanimity that the internet provides! In addition, I say this with all due respect, women need to stop feeling sorry for whatever is posted against them online. If I were in your shoes I'd reply with facts and keep it civil because we can see it and will know that you're fighting some assholes with truths and not feelings and good people will back you up. Or you can do what almost everyone else does and continue the conversation ignoring the assholes because lets be honest they need to be ignored and not given any attention!
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There is sexism everywhere in lots of media about both sexes

what i hate about anime industry is how they keep doing the same thing again and again for years with the archetypical characters for money

There is always the big boob girl , long dark hair
clumsy cute girl
the very young girl , almost to pedobear target zone
the gothic girl
the eccentric small boob girl and short hair
the other sister type with a hot body

and how many freaking scenes those the male MC has to ' accidentally' touch the breast of the female tsundere character.....

its almost the amount of particles in the universe
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Haven't watch High School DxD, but I understood it's an anime where the male MC is kind of the slave of a demon girl, is perverted, and thus that there is a lot of ecchi stuff happening, with a harem forming around him and all. Sound more "sexy" than "sexist" to me.

Fanservice is sexist when it is one-sided : if the cute / cool males don't have their scenes in skiny jeans, bare chest, swim suits, other sexy things that please the female audience, then yeah it is sexist. And the thing is that fanservice is ridiculously heavy toward the male audience (probably to try to sell half naked dolls to little and not so little boys).

[Sexism] definition : prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender. It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles, and include the belief that males are intrinsically superior to females. Extreme sexism may foster sexual harassment, rape and other forms of sexual violence.

It appears in anime in all its forms : there is more males protagonists in action, adventure, comedy, fantasy, historical, mecha, science fiction, slice of life and sports. And more female protagonists in romance. This follows stereotypes on the genders, and when the genre is neutral like comedy or slice of life, males are still more often protagonist because if you have to choose then male is "better". There is also lots of examples of sexual harassment or rape against girls / women in anime, and very very few against boys / men.

Sexists shows :
- Rage of Bahamut: Genesis (the girls can and want to do the job, but nope, it's a man task to save the day)
- Nozaki-kun (the protagonist is Sakura but the name of the show is Nozaki-kun, really...)
- Sword Art Online (do I need to explain ?)
- Unbreakable machine dolls (take cute girls, then use them as fighting dolls for the sake of the male)
- Irregular at Magic High School (this one is so blatant it's funny)
- Accel World (poor wimp is still better than all the strong girls you can throw at him)
- Sailor moon (little pink rods on sale)
- Princess Sarah (she looks like a role model for you girls ?)
- et caetera

Then as for the trend in anime nowadays, I'd feel rather the opposite : there is more and more shows that defy sexists stereotypes, with strong leading female MC. In the 70', 80' even 90' most if not all of the female protagonists were magical girls or fallen princesses, relying on the power of love or some prince to save the day (and the anime industry was trying to sell make-up kits and small pink rods to little girls on the side). Since some years, we have characters like Morgiana, Maou (or any other female in Maou Yuusha), Motoko Kusanagi, Balsa, Iku Kasahara, Madoka Kaname, Akane Tsunemori, ... so yeah, maybe there is still more female characters that are just plot tools for the male hero to achieve his goal by following all the old sexists tropes, but the trend is to develop alternatives.
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Its almost as if most anime is produced for adolescent or preadolescent males and everything, story, theme, setting and characters are meant to be easily understandable for this demographic and to not stray outside their emotional maturity zone, thus appearing "problematic" for anyone who isn't a 14 year old Japanese boy.
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TheAncientOne wrote:

Here's a question: Which would you consider more sexist?:

1. A show that has wall-to-wall female fanservice.

2. A show that has no fan service at all, but where there is a strong current of "You're a woman, so sit quietly on the sidelines while I, the male, protect you"?

I know which one bothers me more, and it isn't the fanservice.


easy, i don't watch either so neither of them bother me


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Droneshogun wrote:

Um...are there any woman in this forum thread?


This my friend is the sad truth. There are a lot of women/girls that visit/have/watch anime on crunchyroll but won't comment because they're afraid of the backlash from assholes that most of the time threaten them because they're afraid that other normal males/guys like you and me are interested in what they have to say and how their opinion help us make the site and society better for both genders because most of them are afraid of cooking.


huh, since when are we afraid of a bunch of lolicons and their 2734 waifus?

also i like to cook

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Now, that's the attitude! I can cook too! I remember the first time one my exs some me doing it they were like "wait you can cook?" I was like "hell yeah my grandma taught my dad and he taught me" I have yet to understand why some people believe that other people are suppose to do a specific role in society. The reason why education is important is because it teaches you a new world and opens up the possibilities to whatever you want to do. My grandma and dad didn't have that opportunity, I did and took the initiative but they also taught me that I shouldn't expect or force anyone into doing things and that if I'm capable I should do them instead!

We don't need to get nasty with the Waifus though lol
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sonic720 wrote:
Lots of wimpy male MCs who have no spine.

Butttt, they still get the girl(s) and/or have success, while non-wimpy females may not have the same sort of success or (worse) get portrayed as villains.

Anime isn't an inherently sexist medium or anything like that, but there are a lot of problems with the way many shows use their female characters.


I see it as a backlash against the heightened standards for males to be heroic or something. It disturbs me when people are punished for not being badass in a weird way.
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Now, that's the attitude! I can cook too! I remember the first time one my exs some me doing it they were like "wait you can cook?" I was like "hell yeah my grandma taught my dad and he taught me" I have yet to understand why some people believe that other people are suppose to do a specific role in society. The reason why education is important is because it teaches you a new world and opens up the possibilities to whatever you want to do. My grandma and dad didn't have that opportunity, I did and took the initiative but they also taught me that I shouldn't expect or force anyone into doing things and that if I'm capable I should do them instead!

We don't need to get nasty with the Waifus though lol

Calling people idiots has been shown to decrease worker productivity most of the time. If you felt like you were going to do a crappy job or get no recognition, why attempt to do a good job. No matter what your intent may be, it is still impolite. It's no different than bullying to call up on people's insecurity in an attempt to push them harder. To think it is good to call someone names is inane.
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Lindwurm wrote:



Now, that's the attitude! I can cook too! I remember the first time one my exs some me doing it they were like "wait you can cook?" I was like "hell yeah my grandma taught my dad and he taught me" I have yet to understand why some people believe that other people are suppose to do a specific role in society. The reason why education is important is because it teaches you a new world and opens up the possibilities to whatever you want to do. My grandma and dad didn't have that opportunity, I did and took the initiative but they also taught me that I shouldn't expect or force anyone into doing things and that if I'm capable I should do them instead!

We don't need to get nasty with the Waifus though lol

Calling people idiots has been shown to decrease worker productivity most of the time. If you felt like you were going to do a crappy job or get no recognition, why attempt to do a good job. No matter what your intent may be, it is still impolite. It's no different than bullying to call up on people's insecurity in an attempt to push them harder. To think it is good to call someone names is inane.


I really don't understand you OP. I don't know "Who I called stupid this time? Are you against education? Because you seemed to be offended every time I mentioned it. A college degree isn't necessary for been called educated (although it pays in the long term. See http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77 and see http://blog.cbt.edu/high-school-diploma-vs-college-degree-things-to-consider/).

As your work comparison, let me break that notion/idea that you have that seems to say I won't work well unless I'm always been adulated by my hard work. Most people work hard and don't get a thank you. People work for two reason because they love their work and need the money or because they need the money and hate their job. You can be brilliant but antisocial (or stupid and a suck-up and you'll be promoted) and will never get a promotion and I have seen it all the time (I used to work for a large national bank, large electronic company, for a political campaign and a university). Most non-STEM jobs don't care about your well-being so noticing that you're 18 your options for work aren't great and i'm pretty sure you see it everyday.

Further, if you think that I'm bullying somebody by my previous statements then I have no idea what bullying means to you! If anything I'm trying to help empower people and supporting them when they do it. No one is going to fight for you at work so get ready to sum up the courage and do it yourself. Sure, I know that not everyone is me and they don't have the same amount of self-respect and self-esteem but then I ask you why are you letting someone bring you down (or why are you letting yourself down)? I'm pretty sure you're great so have confidence (see why it's so important http://blogs.discovery.com/dfh-sara-novak/2012/08/6-reasons-confidence-is-so-importance-and-how-to-cultivate-it.html). Plus, if someone feels like I bullied them let them tell me. I will apologize (At my age I don't want enemies I want friends because the more friends the more fun things become) but I don't feel like I bullied anyone in fact I'm trying to be supportive.

Finally, Why don't you attack the subject you created? Why not answer (even if you believe that you're incorrect) the questions you posted? I gave facts, I researched my answers and above all I put my credibility in my answers because you're talking about an anime that I love. It's super easy to just post a question and never give your opinion (that's the cowards way) I'd rather be wrong and be told with facts/research/love/whatever why and learn from it to become better than attack someone because my feelings were "hurt." Like Morpheus told Neo in the Matrix "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."

TL;DR Asked OP why he/she felt that I bullied someone (If I did I apologize, I'm only trying to empower and support fellow commentators), Asked OP to give us his opinions not just feed of our opinions (if you have a questions, I'd like to know what you think about as well). I'm starting to feel that you're a troll so your next post should actually deliver content (whether good/bad since that in itself is subjective to the viewer) otherwise I won't post on your threads again.
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