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Examples Of Sexism In Anime? Should Sexism Bother You? What Makes Certain Kinds of Sexism Okay?
Posted 3/8/15 , edited 3/8/15

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Now, that's the attitude! I can cook too! I remember the first time one my exs some me doing it they were like "wait you can cook?" I was like "hell yeah my grandma taught my dad and he taught me" I have yet to understand why some people believe that other people are suppose to do a specific role in society. The reason why education is important is because it teaches you a new world and opens up the possibilities to whatever you want to do. My grandma and dad didn't have that opportunity, I did and took the initiative but they also taught me that I shouldn't expect or force anyone into doing things and that if I'm capable I should do them instead!

We don't need to get nasty with the Waifus though lol

Calling people idiots has been shown to decrease worker productivity most of the time. If you felt like you were going to do a crappy job or get no recognition, why attempt to do a good job. No matter what your intent may be, it is still impolite. It's no different than bullying to call up on people's insecurity in an attempt to push them harder. To think it is good to call someone names is inane.


I really don't understand you OP. I don't know "Who I called stupid this time? Are you against education? Because you seemed to be offended every time I mentioned it. A college degree isn't necessary for been called educated (although it pays in the long term. See http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77 and see http://blog.cbt.edu/high-school-diploma-vs-college-degree-things-to-consider/).

As your work comparison, let me break that notion/idea that you have that seems to say I won't work well unless I'm always been adulated by my hard work. Most people work hard and don't get a thank you. People work for two reason because they love their work and need the money or because they need the money and hate their job. You can be brilliant but antisocial (or stupid and a suck-up and you'll be promoted) and will never get a promotion and I have seen it all the time (I used to work for a large national bank, large electronic company, for a political campaign and a university). Most non-STEM jobs don't care about your well-being so noticing that you're 18 your options for work aren't great and i'm pretty sure you see it everyday.

Further, if you think that I'm bullying somebody by my previous statements then I have no idea what bullying means to you! If anything I'm trying to help empower people and supporting them when they do it. No one is going to fight for you at work so get ready to sum up the courage and do it yourself. Sure, I know that not everyone is me and they don't have the same amount of self-respect and self-esteem but then I ask you why are you letting someone bring you down (or why are you letting yourself down)? I'm pretty sure you're great so have confidence (see why it's so important http://blogs.discovery.com/dfh-sara-novak/2012/08/6-reasons-confidence-is-so-importance-and-how-to-cultivate-it.html). Plus, if someone feels like I bullied them let them tell me. I will apologize (At my age I don't want enemies I want friends because the more friends the more fun things become) but I don't feel like I bullied anyone in fact I'm trying to be supportive.

Finally, Why don't you attack the subject you created? Why not answer (even if you believe that you're incorrect) the questions you posted? I gave facts, I researched my answers and above all I put my credibility in my answers because you're talking about an anime that I love. It's super easy to just post a question and never give your opinion (that's the cowards way) I'd rather be wrong and be told with facts/research/love/whatever why and learn from it to become better than attack someone because my feelings were "hurt." Like Morpheus told Neo in the Matrix "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."

TL;DR Asked OP why he/she felt that I bullied someone (If I did I apologize, I'm only trying to empower and support fellow commentators), Asked OP to give us his opinions not just feed of our opinions (if you have a questions, I'd like to know what you think about as well). I'm starting to feel that you're a troll so your next post should actually deliver content (whether good/bad since that in itself is subjective to the viewer) otherwise I won't post on your threads again.

Earlier you called me an idiot and talked about how your college professor belittled people in order to get them to work harder, and how you saw it as a challenge. I have many insecurities, but ones about my intelligence are the most damaging. I thought about it long and hard, and I realize that you are attempting to justify bullying. Bullying shouldn't not be condoned or encouraged. I'm not trolling you, I'm stating my honest opinion, and essentially I came to the conclusion your college professor engaged in bullying, which is a terrible thing to do to another human being. What good can come out of belittling others? I just felt what you said was somewhat twisted and lack the graces of human compassion.
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Problem in this thread is that you are viewing anime with a western mindset. Sexism doesn't exist in Japan. And by that I don't mean it's not there, but that women over there don't think of it as sexism as a whole. That also doesn't mean that somethings in anime aren't sexist, just that it's a different culture.

I hope you're joking, right?

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I think it somewhat happens in some anime.
Mostly with gender stereotypes than actually fanservice
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Read a history textbook about Japan. It's all there
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First, go here (http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-885197/why-is-incest-wrong?pg=46#49308651) and read my two posts about the subject which is completely different to this one. I called you out on that thread because (and I still feel the same way) the subject that you ask about any little kid would be able to give a clean direct answer and only sick (psycho) people would find an objection to it. I gave you facts and researched stuff before I told you my opinion.

Second, you're obviously still mad and are trying to somehow have a resolution that will put you above ground. By all means, trash me online for all I care. I'm still going to be employed, I'm still going to graduate and whatever comments of hate you may send my way will be dismissed as soon as they came because I'm not into internet forum fights specially with people that are emotionally unstable and have too many insecurities because these people are the ones that need help the most and I take no joy in putting you down. Which only makes me ask you why are you so insecure? Are you bullied in HS? There are solutions available to you (go talk to your HS consolur). Learn to do things that make you happy and if you "feel" that education wise you ain't up to par then I suggest you go study for the subject instead of making anime posts and threads.

Third, if all you got from our previous interaction is that my professor is a bully then you're obviously wrong! I loved my professor because he challenged me mentally. I'd rather have people in my life that say "NO" than "YES" why? simple... Do you want to see what happens in the macrocosm when you surround yourself with "YES" people see http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/study-iraq-afghan-war-costs-to-top-4-trillion/2013/03/28/b82a5dce-97ed-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html the greatest blunder in American history.

BTW, my professor was from a different political spectrum than me and I still loved everything he did because he explained with examples and facts why he held his believes. Everyone in the class that finished the course (everyone because no one dropout) love him because they understood why he did everything and he's the nicest person to be around and have a discussion about anything (like for real he's the equivalent of a tsudere lol)

As for your human compassion crap, where is your crying for the 21,000 kids that die everyday (see http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world) and never get a chance to feel sad about someone "hurting/exposing their insecurities." Where are your tears for +65k undocumented students that can't continue their college studies because they're illegals (see http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/dream-act). Where is your compassion for the millions of families been broken up because the kids are legal US citizens but the parents aren't (see http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/falling-through-cracks).

This is what I mean. Everyone is quick to cry about their feelings and trying to make it seem like the world is coming to an end because someone didn't kiss your ass instead of understanding why they didn't kiss it in the first place. I have had way more hardships than you can imagine and I never cried in front of my family like I cried watching anime because they needed a totem pole to tell them everything was going to be alright! So excuse if I don't feel that your first world emotional issues aren't as high on my list as other things but as such I'd like to say why get mad instead talk to me. We can become great friends and learn from one another as equals because the way I'm treating you right now is the same as treating you as my equal. I'll say the same things to my own face if I needed and I have friends in college that can attest to it.

And, for the last bloody time. TALK ABOUT THE DAMN SUBJECT! You asked questions in the thread and I'd like to know what YOU think! Not what you think about what others think but about what YOU THINK!

TL;DR noticed OP is still mad about been called out in another thread even though I tried to amend things there. Try to show him that he isn't the only person suffering in the world and that I'm pretty sure he has a bunch of options available to himself to cure his insecurities. Finally, I asked him/her to talk about the subject. Isn't that the point of the thread?

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I think it somewhat happens in some anime.
Mostly with gender stereotypes than actually fanservice


I agree. This is why Saekano and My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU are so good because they do the opposite of the anime stereotype.


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Read a history textbook about Japan. It's all there


Do you know about one? I have read reports online but maybe a book can go deeper. My sensei tells us about Japan but she holds back whenever she's about to criticize something because it isn't polite (And you know that japanese people are polite to a fault) lol
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The second easily from my perspective.
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I had a good laugh when you mention High-school DxD, because I have a hard time figuring out if it is sexist or not. I think that High-school DxD gets a bad rap for having exploding female clothing. However, in that sense it is more realistic than most other shows. I am not sure if it is Isse's fault that everyone sees him and no threat and does not use their clothing exploding magic on him. It is also not Isse's fault that Kiba is a bad ass and rarely takes a direct hit from clothing exploding magic. However, I can also agree that High-school DxD is sexist.

Sexist towards males, that is. Let's take a look at the male leads in High-school DxD. They all fall into basically 3 different categories. First there are the perverts, like Isse and Rizer... the phoenix guy. Pretty Asexuals like Kiba and the White Dragon. Finally Sociopaths like the majority of the villains.... okay 4 there is Gasper... but I am not sure what he is. Anyway, then you have the female cast all of whom are very unique and individual. Ranging from the innocent's Asia to the Perverts like.. uhh Akeno. You could take pretty much every female who has any small amount of prominence and put her into her own category. With that it is easy to say this anime is the incarnation of everything that is wrong with males. Even worse the anime gives off the vibe that anything indecent or mean that the females may do is forgivable because they are female. For instance whenever Rias jumps into bed naked with Isse. She is clearly not being sexual at all. She is a mature and can clearly distinguish between just sleeping and not. There is also Xenovia, who is an innocent. She can come up to Isse and flash condoms and talk about having babies from a purely eugenics point of view and Isse is the pervet for some reason. In both these examples if the offending character was a male he would be harassing/potentially raping the female.... or male I guess because of Yaoi. Isse is regularly reminded of all of his flaws and told how bad he is for having them. Meanwhile Akeno, who is just as open about her vice, is left to do whatever. So yeah I can definitely say that High-school DxD is sexist, but do I care, of course not.

However, I do feel that there is plenty of anime out there that is sexist in many ways. My personal favorite example are Tsundere characters. My primary experience with Tsundere characters are with female characters. It is easy to show a level of sexism that says "Female on male violence is okay". One example that I remember from recently is from Hidan no Aria. Aria lived a fairly sheltered life. I cannot remember the exact details, but Aria said something that showed she knew nothing about human reproduction. So Kinji gave Aria a book on the topic and Aria attacked him for being a pervert. Really tsundere characters seem to portray that female on male violence is not only okay but necessary when a male is showing signs of indecency.

Next let me be balanced and pick up a form of female sexism. I am pretty sure the whole cooking thing has been talked about. So I will pick up with indecency. In a lot of anime you could say that almost all females are... well incapable of feeling sexual desire. In a lot of anime I see that females react one of two ways to potential sexual situations. The first, and most common, is with fear and outrage at the very thought. While a female may feel those feelings it is incorrect for her to act on them. The second way is with complete indifference. Most of the ice queens in anime show complete indifference to sexual situations. Which is a mature route to take, but for the most part it is also annoying. I guess I will keep myself from babbling too much and not segway this back into sexism against males.

Then there are the sexist stereotypes surrounding more adult individuals. These generally surround males and females who are between the ages of 27 and 37 and are not married. In this respect neither gender comes out on top. A very common female stereotypes is that once a female hits that part of life mid-20s to mid-30s and is not married, she becomes a desperate slut... there is no nice way to say it. These females just throw away all the perfect maiden stereotypes in favor of just snagging a male. Then there are the male stereotypes where the males are all brainless virgins who would not know what to do with a female if they ever got one. The males tend to be nerdy, weak and dense. Because they are so obviously virgins it is no wonder no female wants them. This stereotype is seen a lot less but it is still there.

Anyway, that is enough writing. I am not social scientist or anything like that. I could go on for days and days and days about this. It is easy to see sexism against both genders. So it is not really anything to get all worked up about. I mean really, don't we all become sexist the moment we have to try and decide what the opposite gender would do in that situation? Anyway, thanks for reading if you did.
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i don't mind sexism.... i guess the only time i thought something was really sexist was in Rosario+Vampire. I swear every time a women in the show spoke or had something important to say it was done through a panty shot angle never showing their face. Meaning to me the only way to listen to a women speak is while a panty shot but maybe I think that is also genius.
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Okay, Crunchyroll is broken. I got a notification stating that someone from this thread quoted me. I check the thread and there are no posts with my quote
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Okay, Crunchyroll is broken. I got a notification stating that someone from this thread quoted me. I check the thread and there are no posts with my quote


That happens when someone deletes their post. Likely someone quoted you and then deleted the post for whatever reason, but you still get the notification email.
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MonkeysxMoo35 wrote:
Okay, Crunchyroll is broken. I got a notification stating that someone from this thread quoted me. I check the thread and there are no posts with my quote


That happens when someone deletes their post. Likely someone quoted you and then deleted the post for whatever reason, but you still get the notification email.


That needs to be addressed
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See for me, the two most sexist shows I've seen are Shuffle and Freezing.

Freezing doesn't have particularly more fan service than High School DxD, Sekerie, or Rosario x Vampire. The difference is that it tries to titillate the viewer with violence against women. There is an (attempted) rape scene at the beginning of the series, in which the camera focuses on the victim's breasts, clearly trying to eek as much fan service out of the scene as possible, all while the girl's shouts of "no stop" sound a lot more like panting than screaming. And, of course, despite the fact that it happens in front of witnesses, no one really gets in trouble for it--cause, you know, it's not like rape is a crime or anything... oh, wait, it is!. Moreover in basically every fight, not only do clothes get ripped to shreds, but the half-naked women then get dismembered--and the camera STILL can't take itself off of their chests.

Shuffle is sexist for completely different reasons. In Shuffle, one of the recurring plot lines is the girls consciously competing with each other to be better cooks for the guy--with the full understanding that this makes them better wife material. This isn't just "I want to feed the man that I love", which is a common trope, and bad enough although at least there are real women who think this way. In Shuffle the theme is "I want to become a better homemaker in order to be a better bride candidate, and that means improving my cooking!" And it isn't just one character who thinks that way--ALL of them do. Because, after all, ladies, you gotta learn your way around a kitchen if you want to snag your man!
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I couldn't have said it better myself.

What do you think of the anime The Stigmata of Qwaser though? It's basically ecchi, harem, and fanservice all-in-one. The characters are pretty strong, but as soon as the "Soma" instances are involved the characters seem to break down, but they go right back to normal after the "giving of life substance". It wasn't really a strong anime and man was it kind of weird to watch seriously :/ Another anime, Eiken was just plain stupid and definitely messed up. In my opinion it was definitely raunchy.. I'm not sure if to classify ecchi, fanservice, and harems into a sexist classification as a lot of those anime do have strong female characters even if most focus on the male lead. Are most anime and manga artists and writers men in Japan? Would that explain anything? I don't want to push too far into the subject, but sexism may always be an issue especially in anime involving ecchi, fanservice, and harems.

If I had to guess, Japan's view on sexism is radically different from a westerner's point of view, especially America's.
Posted 3/9/15 , edited 3/9/15

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First, go here (http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-885197/why-is-incest-wrong?pg=46#49308651) and read my two posts about the subject which is completely different to this one. I called you out on that thread because (and I still feel the same way) the subject that you ask about any little kid would be able to give a clean direct answer and only sick (psycho) people would find an objection to it. I gave you facts and researched stuff before I told you my opinion.

Second, you're obviously still mad and are trying to somehow have a resolution that will put you above ground. By all means, trash me online for all I care. I'm still going to be employed, I'm still going to graduate and whatever comments of hate you may send my way will be dismissed as soon as they came because I'm not into internet forum fights specially with people that are emotionally unstable and have too many insecurities because these people are the ones that need help the most and I take no joy in putting you down. Which only makes me ask you why are you so insecure? Are you bullied in HS? There are solutions available to you (go talk to your HS consolur). Learn to do things that make you happy and if you "feel" that education wise you ain't up to par then I suggest you go study for the subject instead of making anime posts and threads.

Third, if all you got from our previous interaction is that my professor is a bully then you're obviously wrong! I loved my professor because he challenged me mentally. I'd rather have people in my life that say "NO" than "YES" why? simple... Do you want to see what happens in the macrocosm when you surround yourself with "YES" people see http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/study-iraq-afghan-war-costs-to-top-4-trillion/2013/03/28/b82a5dce-97ed-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html the greatest blunder in American history.

BTW, my professor was from a different political spectrum than me and I still loved everything he did because he explained with examples and facts why he held his believes. Everyone in the class that finished the course (everyone because no one dropout) love him because they understood why he did everything and he's the nicest person to be around and have a discussion about anything (like for real he's the equivalent of a tsudere lol)

As for your human compassion crap, where is your crying for the 21,000 kids that die everyday (see http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world) and never get a chance to feel sad about someone "hurting/exposing their insecurities." Where are your tears for +65k undocumented students that can't continue their college studies because they're illegals (see http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/dream-act). Where is your compassion for the millions of families been broken up because the kids are legal US citizens but the parents aren't (see http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/falling-through-cracks).

This is what I mean. Everyone is quick to cry about their feelings and trying to make it seem like the world is coming to an end because someone didn't kiss your ass instead of understanding why they didn't kiss it in the first place. I have had way more hardships than you can imagine and I never cried in front of my family like I cried watching anime because they needed a totem pole to tell them everything was going to be alright! So excuse if I don't feel that your first world emotional issues aren't as high on my list as other things but as such I'd like to say why get mad instead talk to me. We can become great friends and learn from one another as equals because the way I'm treating you right now is the same as treating you as my equal. I'll say the same things to my own face if I needed and I have friends in college that can attest to it.

And, for the last bloody time. TALK ABOUT THE DAMN SUBJECT! You asked questions in the thread and I'd like to know what YOU think! Not what you think about what others think but about what YOU THINK!

TL;DR noticed OP is still mad about been called out in another thread even though I tried to amend things there. Try to show him that he isn't the only person suffering in the world and that I'm pretty sure he has a bunch of options available to himself to cure his insecurities. Finally, I asked him/her to talk about the subject. Isn't that the point of the thread?

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I don't know your professor, but from what you told me, he sounds a lot like a bully. Only bullies would call other people idiots. You didn't call me out. You called me an idiot, and you replied that politeness is overrated (Which in my opinion is not.) All I am concerned with addressing is your sick twisted demented view of the world where your professor teaching methods were considered "healthy". Enlighten me. They don't sound healthy, now do they? It bothered me for the longest time, and I thought about it, and realize it seemed like an attempt to justify bullying. I would never call anyone lower than me an idiot, nor should you too. It's utterly despicable how high I used to place myself on a pedestal to get over my feelings of inferiority and I feel you are doing something similar to posting extremely long replies and attacking ad hominem while dodging the fact that:

-You called me an idiot.
-You never apologized.

As for the compassion thing, I'll quote Gintama. If something has fallen at my feet, the very least I can do is pick it up. What I am doing here is calling you out on your bullcrap on calling other people idiots. If you think you're going to succeed by calling other people idiots just because you can, it sounds rather shallow and black hearted, now doesn't it?

As for the suffering part, we both went through pain, so why even compare it? Pain is still pain. I don't want to cause you pain, I just want you to know what I think about what appeared to me about your twisted world views.

I read back to the incest thread and I don't think I missed anything. You insulted my intelligence and went on to say politeness isn't all it is made up to be.


TL:DR You insulted my intelligence. That's it. There's no argument that you did not. I pried deeper into your mentality and I object to what I see. That is all.

"Do you think stupidity is wrong? Because if so, you need to stop been stupid and try to educate yourself otherwise these topics which are "stupid" take time away from other topics. I'd argue that stupidity is far more ingrained in society and as such it has done far more harm to it (see racism, hyper nationalism, etc.) "

^See? There it is.

Edit: Just noticed that you didn't mean to offend me. Although, you did follow up with the following paragraph which sounds increasingly condescending.

TL;DR - Noticed that the OP is 18 years old and spell out the thought process so that he/she'd understand that I don't hate/dislike him/her. In addition, try to get him/her understand that politeness isn't what it's made out to be in the world (Western or Eastern) and that hiding behind his feeling would be a deterrent to his/hers continue educated journey for answers.


P.S. One of the reason why I'm not against incest or inbreeding is primarily due to the fact that I believe similar statues have been proposed for certain disease ridden people to not breed. That is it. Is it stupid? I don't think so. I like my civil liberties, including the ones to breed, and the ones in the bedroom. I'm against sodomy laws, Pro Loving V. Virginia, Lawrence V. Texas, etc. I don't see how the 25% chance is any different than passing on AIDs.
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