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I feel bad they can't find other jobs just because of their resume though




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After reading that article... Working at McDonald's seems like a high paying cushy position in comparison.
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maxgale wrote:


-mockingbird wrote:


maxgale wrote:


I like the lack of noting any culpability of the consumers. Howard Roark would be proud.


none of the points you mentioned have nothing to do with why they are paid shit wages. it doesn't matter how shitty the anime is, they are still drawing it & the consumer has nothing to do with this. actually the demand for shit "otaku" shows keeps the animators employed, cause they are able to draw for another show.

they are called starving artist for a reason, cause no matter what media you are an artist in you get paid next to nothing. like it has already been said, it's a labor dispute between the employers & employees, they can all ban together and stop drawing, don't know if that will help if someone else is willing to step right in for shit wages.


Son, here's a quick economics lesson.

A sandwich shop with a decent customer base across demographics decides to stop producing clubs and subs in order to chase after a very specialized but profitable audience, those who prefer the Shit Sandwich. (Due to the saturation of this word in your reply, thought it would be best to speak in a language you could understand).

However, the sandwich shop realizes that if this fickle audience doesn't like its expensive Shit Sandwich they are screwed. ASo they lower costs by paying employees less and crank up production of Shit Sandwiches so even if one batch flops they have another one ready.

This leads to over worked, under paid employees. So the company takes on students and newbies and under the guise of "training" them gives them a workload that would and should be the responsibility of those with more talent and experience.

But it still ain't enough. Bosses know eventually people will grow weary of eating Shit Sandwiches so they are bailing out, while having their employees take on work contracted out from third parties to pay for those nifty golden parachutes.


Get work somewhere else? Where.

Everyone is making the same shit sandwich, and the rest of society is leery of the entire sandwich market because that shit stinks.

In another industry?

Sorry, bucko, not with that shit clinging to your resume.

"My name is Shinji and my previous job was drawing slutty little sisters."

But hey, its great to be a consumer.

Shit Sandwich buffet.

And if anyone notes you're kinda to blame for ruining an entire industry, you can sit back with a Shit Sandwich-eating grin and blame the market, while totally ignoring you ARE the market!



For someone who whines about otaku-pandering anime, why is it that your sig ask people to vote for jibril ? You DO realize no game no life literally like, the most otaku-pandering of otaku pandering animes you can get right? I love the show but I don´t know it sounds a bit double.

Now as for me, I just know one thing: I got into anime in 2008, because of cute and cool otaku stuff. Those are my favourite forms of anime. Back then, we had 3 conventions per year in this country, biggest attracting 2000 people. Now we have 9 (!), biggest has over 6000 visitors, and almost all are over 2000. In the Netherlands. You know, that dot on the map.

Now all of those people (almost) got into anime in the last few years. We are otaku and like otaku stuff. If they stop producing that, they won´t be any more anime fans here in this country. Get it?

Now, also, yes, the anime industry revenue *did* decline for a few years from 2005 to 2010, most sharply after the huge financial crisis set in (Gosh, what a surprise!). But for the past 4 years on a row, revenue has been on a steady increase, and it´s now back to a 10 year high. So the wages should be going up as well. If they don´t , the problem lies elsewhere.

Official graph: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-01/report-japan-animation-industry-reached-record-high-in-2013/.82767

Please read that ann article a few times over and get it in your head: otaku can´t be killing the industry, no-one can be, because the industry just had a record year!! Having said that, I know this is 2013 data, but the article is from 2015 and they say 2014 is not avialiable yet. Can´t see any reason why it would suddenly be very bad.

Finally, I really don´t care whether other people like moeblobs and harem series and stuff. I find them cute, funny, and they make me happy, and I for one am glad crunchy licenses them . They will obviously continue to be (part of the series that are) made and people, the vast majority of fans nowadays, will keep liking them and watching, them whether you like it or not. We are all free to watch whatever anime we like and have fun at cons chatting about it. No exceptions. I for one will continue liking cute and sexy anime, as well as all others
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maxgale wrote:

Son, here's a quick economics lesson.


Lay it on us, Megaman!


A sandwich shop with a decent customer base across demographics decides to stop producing clubs and subs in order to chase after a very specialized but profitable audience, those who prefer the Shit Sandwich. (Due to the saturation of this word in your reply, thought it would be best to speak in a language you could understand).


That's the very definition of a niche market, and anime is a luxury market besides. It's not a necessity, so if you find yourself in a pinch financially it's going to go out the window.


However, the sandwich shop realizes that if this fickle audience doesn't like its expensive Shit Sandwich they are screwed. ASo they lower costs by paying employees less and crank up production of Shit Sandwiches so even if one batch flops they have another one ready.


They could also be doing that to drive up their profit margins regardless of their overall performance, but I see what you're getting at. Hedging their bets against failure and all that. Terrible way to do that, but some firms do.


This leads to over worked, under paid employees. So the company takes on students and newbies and under the guise of "training" them gives them a workload that would and should be the responsibility of those with more talent and experience.

But it still ain't enough. Bosses know eventually people will grow weary of eating Shit Sandwiches so they are bailing out, while having their employees take on work contracted out from third parties to pay for those nifty golden parachutes.


This is usually the part where labor starts organizing to stop them from doing that. Not sure how well that would fly in Japan's anime industry, though. Sure, the right to participate is constitutionally guaranteed, but their national union figures have taken a dive.


Get work somewhere else? Where.

Everyone is making the same shit sandwich, and the rest of society is leery of the entire sandwich market because that shit stinks.

In another industry?

Sorry, bucko, not with that shit clinging to your resume.

"My name is Shinji and my previous job was drawing slutty little sisters."


Broadening the consumer base is just one way to make that sandwich's quality improve (though it's certainly something that should happen). Another way would be to establish a cooperative anime production studio and distributor. The boss won't be so able to strap on a golden parachute when the by-laws specifically say he can't, so he'd have an incentive to actually do his job well. Elections would be coming soon, after all, and it's the laborers, not the consumers, who get to vote in them.


But hey, its great to be a consumer.

Shit Sandwich buffet.


Consumer sovereignty is sort of a myth if you look at individuals. Consumers are only able to affect change in aggregate, and even then their efforts can be countervailed by buycotts.


And if anyone notes you're kinda to blame for ruining an entire industry, you can sit back with a Shit Sandwich-eating grin and blame the market, while totally ignoring you ARE the market!


Demand is the guide of supply, yes. Unfortunately demand can be distorted by factors such as variation in consumers concentration of interest in an issue of concern to producers' laborers, information asymmetries and misinformation campaigns, and so on. Consumers aren't wholly free of blame, but there are more ways to affect change than just modifying consumers' demand. Should all the animation studios' laborers collectively bargain for union security agreements with their employers and go on strike simultaneously that niche industry is going to have to figure out damned quick how to save itself, and it's not going to have the luxury of just hiring a pile of fresh-faced rookies who aren't affiliated with a union.
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eragon2890 wrote:


maxgale wrote:


-mockingbird wrote:


maxgale wrote:


I like the lack of noting any culpability of the consumers. Howard Roark would be proud.


none of the points you mentioned have nothing to do with why they are paid shit wages. it doesn't matter how shitty the anime is, they are still drawing it & the consumer has nothing to do with this. actually the demand for shit "otaku" shows keeps the animators employed, cause they are able to draw for another show.

they are called starving artist for a reason, cause no matter what media you are an artist in you get paid next to nothing. like it has already been said, it's a labor dispute between the employers & employees, they can all ban together and stop drawing, don't know if that will help if someone else is willing to step right in for shit wages.


Son, here's a quick economics lesson.

A sandwich shop with a decent customer base across demographics decides to stop producing clubs and subs in order to chase after a very specialized but profitable audience, those who prefer the Shit Sandwich. (Due to the saturation of this word in your reply, thought it would be best to speak in a language you could understand).

However, the sandwich shop realizes that if this fickle audience doesn't like its expensive Shit Sandwich they are screwed. ASo they lower costs by paying employees less and crank up production of Shit Sandwiches so even if one batch flops they have another one ready.

This leads to over worked, under paid employees. So the company takes on students and newbies and under the guise of "training" them gives them a workload that would and should be the responsibility of those with more talent and experience.

But it still ain't enough. Bosses know eventually people will grow weary of eating Shit Sandwiches so they are bailing out, while having their employees take on work contracted out from third parties to pay for those nifty golden parachutes.


Get work somewhere else? Where.

Everyone is making the same shit sandwich, and the rest of society is leery of the entire sandwich market because that shit stinks.

In another industry?

Sorry, bucko, not with that shit clinging to your resume.

"My name is Shinji and my previous job was drawing slutty little sisters."

But hey, its great to be a consumer.

Shit Sandwich buffet.

And if anyone notes you're kinda to blame for ruining an entire industry, you can sit back with a Shit Sandwich-eating grin and blame the market, while totally ignoring you ARE the market!



For someone who whines about otaku-pandering anime, why is it that your sig ask people to vote for jibril ? You DO realize no game no life literally like, the most otaku-pandering of otaku pandering animes you can get right? I love the show but I don´t know it sounds a bit double.

Now as for me, I just know one thing: I got into anime in 2008, because of cute and cool otaku stuff. Those are my favourite forms of anime. Back then, we had 3 conventions per year in this country, biggest attracting 2000 people. Now we have 9 (!), biggest has over 6000 visitors, and almost all are over 2000. In the Netherlands. You know, that dot on the map.

Now all of those people (almost) got into anime in the last few years. We are otaku and like otaku stuff. If they stop producing that, they won´t be any more anime fans here in this country. Get it?

Now, also, yes, the anime industry revenue *did* decline for a few years from 2005 to 2010, most sharply after the huge financial crisis set in (Gosh, what a surprise!). But for the past 4 years on a row, revenue has been on a steady increase, and it´s now back to a 10 year high. So the wages should be going up as well. If they don´t , the problem lies elsewhere.

Official graph: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-01/report-japan-animation-industry-reached-record-high-in-2013/.82767

Please read that ann article a few times over and get it in your head: otaku can´t be killing the industry, no-one can be, because the industry just had a record year!! Having said that, I know this is 2013 data, but the article is from 2015 and they say 2014 is not avialiable yet. Can´t see any reason why it would suddenly be very bad.

Finally, I really don´t care whether other people like moeblobs and harem series and stuff. I find them cute, funny, and they make me happy, and I for one am glad crunchy licenses them . They will obviously continue to be (part of the series that are) made and people, the vast majority of fans nowadays, will keep liking them and watching, them whether you like it or not. We are all free to watch whatever anime we like and have fun at cons chatting about it. No exceptions. I for one will continue liking cute and sexy anime, as well as all others :D



Our Lady Jibril transcends the series she is in.


As for the argument from otaku only being the market in the Netherlands, by your own admittance it is a nascent market. Bulldozing it to pave the way for a larger market sounds like a public service.


And again, the reason revenue increases is due to the absurd price that a handful of otaku shell out for. That is not a sustainable market, especially in regard to the human cost of those actually in the industry.


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It sounds like the complaints about Disney and Warner Brothers in days of yore.
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maxgale wrote:


eragon2890 wrote:


maxgale wrote:


-mockingbird wrote:


maxgale wrote:


I like the lack of noting any culpability of the consumers. Howard Roark would be proud.


none of the points you mentioned have nothing to do with why they are paid shit wages. it doesn't matter how shitty the anime is, they are still drawing it & the consumer has nothing to do with this. actually the demand for shit "otaku" shows keeps the animators employed, cause they are able to draw for another show.

they are called starving artist for a reason, cause no matter what media you are an artist in you get paid next to nothing. like it has already been said, it's a labor dispute between the employers & employees, they can all ban together and stop drawing, don't know if that will help if someone else is willing to step right in for shit wages.


Son, here's a quick economics lesson.

A sandwich shop with a decent customer base across demographics decides to stop producing clubs and subs in order to chase after a very specialized but profitable audience, those who prefer the Shit Sandwich. (Due to the saturation of this word in your reply, thought it would be best to speak in a language you could understand).

However, the sandwich shop realizes that if this fickle audience doesn't like its expensive Shit Sandwich they are screwed. ASo they lower costs by paying employees less and crank up production of Shit Sandwiches so even if one batch flops they have another one ready.

This leads to over worked, under paid employees. So the company takes on students and newbies and under the guise of "training" them gives them a workload that would and should be the responsibility of those with more talent and experience.

But it still ain't enough. Bosses know eventually people will grow weary of eating Shit Sandwiches so they are bailing out, while having their employees take on work contracted out from third parties to pay for those nifty golden parachutes.




Get work somewhere else? Where.

Everyone is making the same shit sandwich, and the rest of society is leery of the entire sandwich market because that shit stinks.

In another industry?

Sorry, bucko, not with that shit clinging to your resume.

"My name is Shinji and my previous job was drawing slutty little sisters."

But hey, its great to be a consumer.

Shit Sandwich buffet.

And if anyone notes you're kinda to blame for ruining an entire industry, you can sit back with a Shit Sandwich-eating grin and blame the market, while totally ignoring you ARE the market!



For someone who whines about otaku-pandering anime, why is it that your sig ask people to vote for jibril ? You DO realize no game no life literally like, the most otaku-pandering of otaku pandering animes you can get right? I love the show but I don´t know it sounds a bit double.

Now as for me, I just know one thing: I got into anime in 2008, because of cute and cool otaku stuff. Those are my favourite forms of anime. Back then, we had 3 conventions per year in this country, biggest attracting 2000 people. Now we have 9 (!), biggest has over 6000 visitors, and almost all are over 2000. In the Netherlands. You know, that dot on the map.

Now all of those people (almost) got into anime in the last few years. We are otaku and like otaku stuff. If they stop producing that, they won´t be any more anime fans here in this country. Get it?

Now, also, yes, the anime industry revenue *did* decline for a few years from 2005 to 2010, most sharply after the huge financial crisis set in (Gosh, what a surprise!). But for the past 4 years on a row, revenue has been on a steady increase, and it´s now back to a 10 year high. So the wages should be going up as well. If they don´t , the problem lies elsewhere.

Official graph: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-01/report-japan-animation-industry-reached-record-high-in-2013/.82767

Please read that ann article a few times over and get it in your head: otaku can´t be killing the industry, no-one can be, because the industry just had a record year!! Having said that, I know this is 2013 data, but the article is from 2015 and they say 2014 is not avialiable yet. Can´t see any reason why it would suddenly be very bad.

Finally, I really don´t care whether other people like moeblobs and harem series and stuff. I find them cute, funny, and they make me happy, and I for one am glad crunchy licenses them . They will obviously continue to be (part of the series that are) made and people, the vast majority of fans nowadays, will keep liking them and watching, them whether you like it or not. We are all free to watch whatever anime we like and have fun at cons chatting about it. No exceptions. I for one will continue liking cute and sexy anime, as well as all others :D



Our Lady Jibril transcends the series she is in.


As for the argument from otaku only being the market in the Netherlands, by your own admittance it is a nascent market. Bulldozing it to pave the way for a larger market sounds like a public service.


And again, the reason revenue increases is due to the absurd price that a handful of otaku shell out for. That is not a sustainable market, especially in regard to the human cost of those actually in the industry.




So you're saying there should be no anime subculture in my country, or anywhere outside of Japan? Wtf? You don't want there to be any great fun con's for hardcore fans anymore? Listen dude, I go to every con in my country, they're great fun, this is my hobby, I also go to manga kissa every week, I met almost all my friends at done and such, I cosplay also, this is my lifestyle, no way in hell I am giving up on it :O you try to take away my otaku stuff and subculture, over my dead body!

Then again I don't have to worry, anime has been growing in popularity here for 10 years and there's no indication it will stop anytime soon. It's only growing :-) And a lot of great stuff is going to come out : yuru yuri 3 is the one I am most looking forward too :-)

I will always be an otaku/hardcore anime fan and thank god our subculture here is only getting stronger. Get with the times my friend. Otaku anime are here to stay whether you like it or not. I do agreed they should ALSO make other type of shows, but the hares and stuff aren't going anywhere. And bless god for crunchyroll!
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BlueOni wrote:


maxgale wrote:

Son, here's a quick economics lesson.


Lay it on us, Megaman!


A sandwich shop with a decent customer base across demographics decides to stop producing clubs and subs in order to chase after a very specialized but profitable audience, those who prefer the Shit Sandwich. (Due to the saturation of this word in your reply, thought it would be best to speak in a language you could understand).


That's the very definition of a niche market, and anime is a luxury market besides. It's not a necessity, so if you find yourself in a pinch financially it's going to go out the window.


However, the sandwich shop realizes that if this fickle audience doesn't like its expensive Shit Sandwich they are screwed. ASo they lower costs by paying employees less and crank up production of Shit Sandwiches so even if one batch flops they have another one ready.


They could also be doing that to drive up their profit margins regardless of their overall performance, but I see what you're getting at. Hedging their bets against failure and all that. Terrible way to do that, but some firms do.


This leads to over worked, under paid employees. So the company takes on students and newbies and under the guise of "training" them gives them a workload that would and should be the responsibility of those with more talent and experience.

But it still ain't enough. Bosses know eventually people will grow weary of eating Shit Sandwiches so they are bailing out, while having their employees take on work contracted out from third parties to pay for those nifty golden parachutes.


This is usually the part where labor starts organizing to stop them from doing that. Not sure how well that would fly in Japan's anime industry, though. Sure, the right to participate is constitutionally guaranteed, but their national union figures have taken a dive.


Get work somewhere else? Where.

Everyone is making the same shit sandwich, and the rest of society is leery of the entire sandwich market because that shit stinks.

In another industry?

Sorry, bucko, not with that shit clinging to your resume.

"My name is Shinji and my previous job was drawing slutty little sisters."


Broadening the consumer base is just one way to make that sandwich's quality improve (though it's certainly something that should happen). Another way would be to establish a cooperative anime production studio and distributor. The boss won't be so able to strap on a golden parachute when the by-laws specifically say he can't, so he'd have an incentive to actually do his job well. Elections would be coming soon, after all, and it's the laborers, not the consumers, who get to vote in them.


But hey, its great to be a consumer.

Shit Sandwich buffet.


Consumer sovereignty is sort of a myth if you look at individuals. Consumers are only able to affect change in aggregate, and even then their efforts can be countervailed by buycotts.


And if anyone notes you're kinda to blame for ruining an entire industry, you can sit back with a Shit Sandwich-eating grin and blame the market, while totally ignoring you ARE the market!


Demand is the guide of supply, yes. Unfortunately demand can be distorted by factors such as variation in consumers concentration of interest in an issue of concern to producers' laborers, information asymmetries and misinformation campaigns, and so on. Consumers aren't wholly free of blame, but there are more ways to affect change than just modifying consumers' demand. Should all the animation studios' laborers collectively bargain for union security agreements with their employers and go on strike simultaneously that niche industry is going to have to figure out damned quick how to save itself, and it's not going to have the luxury of just hiring a pile of fresh-faced rookies who aren't affiliated with a union.




The sad state of the market might preclude any efforts to unionize. Miyazaki spoke of how otaku are the coming gen of animators, which means the industry will become a closed system of otaku as non otaku are forced out by market realities. At which I doubt those left in the industry would care enough to affect change in themselves or their society, because if they were such people they wouldn't be otaku.

Consumer power on the individual level is more powerful than one thinks. The thought that some kid can make some YouTube vid or social media crap that other kids notice which trashes a product or policy keeps some of my acquaintances and even some of my clients up at night.

[You wouldn't believe how many times I get asked what can be done about a bad review online. ]


I like the idea of a studio coop, but then again, Activision and EA both were once....
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we should all think about the balanced diet of Kohina.
with her standard noodles and standard additives.

Probably she said:
i am a doll i am a noodoll.
i love synthetic food.
i do it fast
i eat it fast
i go to toilet very very fast
i need batteries.
zzzzzzz


Wake up Kohina !! Wake up !!!! !!!!

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eragon2890 wrote:


So you're saying there should be no anime subculture in my country, or anywhere outside of Japan? Wtf? You don't want there to be any great fun con's for hardcore fans anymore? Listen dude, I go to every con in my country, they're great fun, this is my hobby, I also go to manga kissa every week, I met almost all my friends at done and such, I cosplay also, this is my lifestyle, no way in hell I am giving up on it :O you try to take away my otaku stuff and subculture, over my dead body!

Then again I don't have to worry, anime has been growing in popularity here for 10 years and there's no indication it will stop anytime soon. It's only growing :-) And a lot of great stuff is going to come out : yuru yuri 3 is the one I am most looking forward too :-)

I will always be an otaku/hardcore anime fan and thank god our subculture here is only getting stronger. Get with the times my friend. Otaku anime are here to stay whether you like it or not. I do agreed they should ALSO make other type of shows, but the hares and stuff aren't going anywhere. And bless god for crunchyroll!


Yes, I am saying exactly that otaku culture should be replaced.


For example, back when I was a university student I purged the anime club of otaku. As as result, was able to bring new people into anime and help change the culture for the better.

That needs to be done in the global fandom, most importantly in Japan.

Here in the States we also had a decade where it seemed like anime was going to become fully integrated into popular culture. But then we ran out of the things from the 80s and 90s to license, and the studios were in the midst of shifting to otaku in Japan. So the new material turned people away, and the otaku centric business model meant studios gouged licensees overseas, and the anime market in the States almost completely went over the brink.
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eragon2890 wrote:


So you're saying there should be no anime subculture in my country, or anywhere outside of Japan? Wtf? You don't want there to be any great fun con's for hardcore fans anymore? Listen dude, I go to every con in my country, they're great fun, this is my hobby, I also go to manga kissa every week, I met almost all my friends at done and such, I cosplay also, this is my lifestyle, no way in hell I am giving up on it :O you try to take away my otaku stuff and subculture, over my dead body!

Then again I don't have to worry, anime has been growing in popularity here for 10 years and there's no indication it will stop anytime soon. It's only growing :-) And a lot of great stuff is going to come out : yuru yuri 3 is the one I am most looking forward too :-)

I will always be an otaku/hardcore anime fan and thank god our subculture here is only getting stronger. Get with the times my friend. Otaku anime are here to stay whether you like it or not. I do agreed they should ALSO make other type of shows, but the hares and stuff aren't going anywhere. And bless god for crunchyroll!


Yes, I am saying exactly that otaku culture should be replaced.


For example, back when I was a university student I purged the anime club of otaku. As as result, was able to bring new people into anime and help change the culture for the better.

That needs to be done in the global fandom, most importantly in Japan.

Here in the States we also had a decade where it seemed like anime was going to become fully integrated into popular culture. But then we ran out of the things from the 80s and 90s to license, and the studios were in the midst of shifting to otaku in Japan. So the new material turned people away, and the otaku centric business model meant studios gouged licensees overseas, and the anime market in the States almost completely went over the brink.


So you want to forcibly ban me and all my friends/ most con goers from being anime fans/ visiting the con's we like to go to because we watch different anime then you. Great idea. Luckily something insane like that will never happen, because, you know, most people including con organizers and such actually have functional brain cells and aren't haters who want to randomly ban visitors who haven't done anything wrong like harassing other visitors simply because they enjoyed watching lucky star .

I am done talking to you. Bye. You will never succeed in randomly banning people from their fan culture just because you arbitraryly decide you don't like them anyway. That idea isn't really gonna fly... But hey you know that just as well as me. Who the hell do you think you are, kim-(jibr)il-un?

I won't reply anymore. I am gonna make a new thread or something, and order tickets for an upcoming convention. I don't have time to waste on this. :-/
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This sounds a lot like the same issues the writers guild in America had a while back when they all went on strike. This does sound like it's a lot more worthy of striking compared to that cause. Either way, if they unionize they can strike to gain better leverage to barter with. It's not like anime market is suffering. I'm sure this site alone brings in a ton of money for anime companies with as many users as it has. It's just a matter of who is getting the lion's share of the money, and who is getting essentially "robbed".
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This sounds a lot like the same issues the writers guild in America had a while back when they all went on strike. This does sound like it's a lot more worthy of striking compared to that cause. Either way, if they unionize they can strike to gain better leverage to barter with. It's not like anime market is suffering. I'm sure this site alone brings in a ton of money for anime companies with as many users as it has. It's just a matter of who is getting the lion's share of the money, and who is getting essentially "robbed".


Exactly. The money income isn't the problem the distribution is. Although it's still not clear if this happens everywhere, given Th second link...
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maxgale wrote:

Yes, I am saying exactly that otaku culture should be replaced.


For example, back when I was a university student I purged the anime club of otaku. As as result, was able to bring new people into anime and help change the culture for the better.

That needs to be done in the global fandom, most importantly in Japan.


Uh...what would that entail specifically? You really want to close down conventions? They're practically the best marketing venues possible. People go to conventions expecting to be handed tons of advertising materials and to purchase outlandish amounts of merchandise. Maybe the cosplay and some of the adult events drive passersby away from the idea of exploring anime, but it's not like the conventions have to completely purge these in order to diversify. Maybe change out one of the adult events or panels for something more wholesome and accessible, like a panel for newcomers to anime and manga, or an educational panel on anime and manga's role in Japanese history, or something else along those lines.

We don't have to take otaku items off the menu, we just need to expand its options a bit if the idea is to bring more people into anime.


Here in the States we also had a decade where it seemed like anime was going to become fully integrated into popular culture. But then we ran out of the things from the 80s and 90s to license, and the studios were in the midst of shifting to otaku in Japan. So the new material turned people away, and the otaku centric business model meant studios gouged licensees overseas, and the anime market in the States almost completely went over the brink.


Has there been a substantial decline in the amount of exported and streamed titles in North America and Europe since the 1990s? I haven't checked that data.
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