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Posted 3/11/15
Did you ever do it? Have you really wanted to do it? How do you feel after you did it/didn't do it?

I've wanted to do it for my computer programming class because I suck at programming, but I never do.

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You should see how I struggled in my graphic design classes. It's like I always had to pull "Inception" out my ass. I wanted every idea I came up with new and fresh.

But my teacher told us that ideas we came up with might be subsconsciously borrowed some way or another. Maybe when you were passing a billboard sign while visiting a friend. Or taking a dump in a public bathroom filled with random flyers and ads.

I was like, "FUCK!!!"
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Posted 3/11/15

harutoharuta wrote:

Nah, I'm like a professional paraphraser. I reword, quote, and cite like I eat, pee, and sleep.

But really, I haven't plagiarized and I never will. I don't really feel anything, but I know I would be disappointed in myself if I ever did plagiarize.



I love how you can steal someone else's thoughts or intentions and it's frowned upon and even punished, but everyone's perfectly fine if you do it while slightly altering the order the words came in or swapping some out for words that mean the exact same thing.

It's like saying, "Bicycles are illegal to reproduce unless you swap the left and right handlebar grips, then paint it a different color."
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Posted 3/11/15 , edited 3/12/15

BearSol wrote:


harutoharuta wrote:

Nah, I'm like a professional paraphraser. I reword, quote, and cite like I eat, pee, and sleep.

But really, I haven't plagiarized and I never will. I don't really feel anything, but I know I would be disappointed in myself if I ever did plagiarize.



I love how you can steal someone else's thoughts or intentions and it's frowned upon and even punished, but everyone's perfectly fine if you do it while slightly altering the order the words came in or swapping some out for words that mean the exact same thing.

It's like saying, "Bicycles are illegal to reproduce unless you swap the left and right handlebar grips, then paint it a different color."


Definitely. That sucks.

The instructor already knew what thought or intention you should have as you write your paper. Sometimes it's even common sense. But noooooo. Even though you have the same thought or intention, you have to cite the ones who came up with the same thought or intention before you (were even born).

Am I making sense? Probably not.
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Posted 3/11/15
never done it, though i also "suck at programming" (TheGreatHoneyBun)

Works Cited:
TheGreatHoneyBun."Plagiarism." Crunchyroll. N.p., 10 Mar. 2015. Web. 11 Mar. 2015.
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Posted 3/11/15
Done it? Hell that's the only way I passed some of my classes in college. I'm an engineer for christ sake! What the hell do I care about plays and works of art?
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Posted 3/11/15
using outside sources (books, etc) with proper citation =/= plagiarism
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Posted 3/11/15 , edited 3/12/15

BearSol wrote:

I love how you can steal someone else's thoughts or intentions and it's frowned upon and even punished, but everyone's perfectly fine if you do it while slightly altering the order the words came in or swapping some out for words that mean the exact same thing.

It's like saying, "Bicycles are illegal to reproduce unless you swap the left and right handlebar grips, then paint it a different color."


If anything, it proves that you understood what you read in your research, and have the knowledge to reword it. I don't understand what you're saying about the bike.
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Posted 3/11/15
rewording without giving proper credit is still plagiarism.
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Posted 3/11/15
I've never intentionally done it, nor been tempted to plagiarize.

There is a condition where someone is influenced by a work that has since been forgotten that is a sort of unintentional plagiarism. I'm sure I'm guilty of that because I read a lot. Who hasn't been influenced by teachers and authors? But I never set out to plagiarize.

Doing such a thing is stupid. You learn nothing. Knowledge is power, and intentional plagiarism proves that you're a pussy.
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Posted 3/11/15

namealreadytaken wrote:

rewording without giving proper credit is still plagiarism.


If that was to me, I already said that in my original post. If you're just speaking in general, then yes, you are correct.
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Posted 3/11/15

harutoharuta wrote:


namealreadytaken wrote:

rewording without giving proper credit is still plagiarism.


If that was to me, I already said that in my original post. If you're just speaking in general, then yes, you are correct.


i was actually referring to the person you quoted, BearSol =p
and yes, that was a general statement.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

i was actually referring to the person you quoted, BearSol =p
and yes, that was a general statement.


Ah, I totally knew that. My bad, hahaha.



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Posted 3/11/15 , edited 3/11/15
Intentional plagiarism is silly. You know you're not supposed to do it, it is disrespectful to the original writer, and you know what will happen if you get caught. It's funny when people do it on purpose and are too stupid to reword it and get upset when they get an F.

I don't like when teachers make a big deal out of it when it is obviously a mistake, but it should be punished if it is intentional. I had a friend who improperly cited a source (the citation was obviously there, she just made a typo and forgot the ending quotation marks) and the teacher kicked her out of the class, causing her to have to retake it the next semester. It was obviously a mistake since English was her second language and her writing always had grammar and punctuation and word usage errors.

Plagiarism is serious and worthy of punishment, but instructors should make a distinction between when the mistake was in good faith, if it was a mere typo, or when the copying is intentional.

Rarely do you need to copy something word for word (or with 50% of the same words). It's not that hard to understand the concept and to break down what the author meant so that you can put the pieces together yourself. You understand it more when you digest it and get to put it in your own words. And you don't have to deal with citation formatting. You can also do something like write "so-and-so author basically says" and then put your paraphrased thing after it. You should be more eloquent, of course, but that's one way to make it very clear that you are still giving credit to an author even when paraphrasing.

I don't program, so I'm not sure what plagiarism would be like in programming.
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Posted 3/11/15 , edited 3/11/15
In high school for sure. I was in a pascal class, had to write a final game with a team and chose black jack. We borrowed someone else's code for the record structures for the game, and wound up having to heavily modify it (think whoever put it out there modified it so it wouldn't work so people wouldn't cheat). It was almost more work than if we just sat down and talked about how to structure things from the get go.

I think there's big differences between programming and English lit for sure, come to think of it. There's lots and lots of projects I probably couldn't have finished without using readily available open source code and libraries. But it works because the community is different and people are openly willing to share. Academia or Literature circles, that kind of stuff is your life blood so people are less willing to share than in the technical communities.
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