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What Science Does And Does Not Do

Let's say that we witness two things, A and B. B comes after A, and as far as we can tell, B is "caused" by A.

A ---> B

We confirm this by doing stuff so that whenever A happens, B seems to always happen after A. Do this a lot of times (more than a few), and this is become somewhat of a "law."

A ---> B
A ---> B
A ---> B
A ---> B
A ---> B
A ---> B
A ---> B

We soon have better ways of figuring things out (technological advances), and pretty soon we start to see that there are more "steps" that go between A and B

A ---> A1 ---> B
A ---> A1 ---> A2 ---> A3 ---> B
A ---> A1a-->A1b-->A1c-->A2a-->A2b-->A2c-->A3a-->A3b-->A3c-->B

Actually, this division can go on downwards pretty much forever, until you hit a "wall of non-explanation"...

"We have the protons and neutrons of an atom which are made up of even smaller subatomic particles, but what is holding those together? All the atoms in the universe should all be flying apart by now... Wait, we have detected some evidence that something must be holding them together. Since it sort of "glues" the subatomic particles together we'll call it GLUONS..." (hmm ok, so what makes up these "gluons?" Let's play "dissect a gluon" and see what happens next... and next...)

or

"At the base of evolution is genetic mutation, which is caused by some kind of gene damage via the collision of high-energy particles to the DNA or carcinogenic (or otherwise disruptive/distabilizing) substances to the same..." (...which goes back to "what made up those chemicals" and "what produces that high energy radiation" and the question ultimately ends up going back to the sort of stuff you see in physics, like I described earlier)


So basically, science describe things in smaller and smaller steps, and predicts how things would repeat in a more and more accurate basis, but never actually manages to explain exactly how or why any of these "smallest steps" have to happen at all. Why do anything change, at all? Divide things long enough, and you get a really small piece that you don't really have a good explanation for, other than "it looks to always goes to this next step if we have this other step before" So what?

Science describes and predicts phenomena. It never "explains" any of it.

It does't have to. That's actually not what science is for.

Science is about the knowledge of the physical universe. Scientists don't do metaphysics**, and they don't do "metaphysical experiments" to "test the density of a person's spirit," because there's no such thing as "metaphysical experiments."

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**metaphysics- the philosophical investigation of the overall nature of reality
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I think it's an interesting point. Science can manufacture the taste of cinnamon toast crunch but ultimately can science see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?

At three a.m. this is the best I can do to put it in simple term.
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Wait haven't I seen this post before
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Wait haven't I seen this post before


Nope. It has never appeared as a separate post. However, since evidently people DON'T really know what science does and does not do (despite my past replies, and as evidenced by "recent posts" on certain "subjects"), I thought I'd make a separate post out of this instead of just as a reply somewhere.
Posted 3/11/15

Punk_Mela wrote:

I think it's an interesting point. Science can manufacture the taste of cinnamon toast crunch but ultimately can science see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?



This post has made my day at least 20% better. Thank you, good sir.
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What. The. Heck
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47kyV4TMnE

Because I love this man, a person who explains better than I why what physicists are studying right now is a tad bit different than questions previously addressed, and does step on the toes of what you described as 'metaphysics'.
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nanikore2 wrote:


pandrasb wrote:



Wait haven't I seen this post before


Nope. It has never appeared as a separate post. However, since evidently people DON'T really know what science does and does not do (despite my past replies, and as evidenced by "recent posts" on certain "subjects"), I thought I'd make a separate post out of this instead of just as a reply somewhere.


Sure? I too feel like I have seen this post before.
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yeah.
like my fav, science vs religon. lol
apple to oranges.

actually, TL:DR really tired. srry.
Posted 3/11/15
science still hasn't given me the jetsons so it's invalid
Posted 3/11/15
My friend slipped on a banana peel and fell over. What caused my friend to fall over?
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forkberry wrote:

My friend slipped on a banana peel and fell over. What caused my friend to fall over?


[ ] gravity
[ ] banana peel
[ ] lack of balance/unfit
[ ] stupidity
[x] all of the above
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"Many people don't realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. But nothing is absolutely proved. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic."

Charles Hard Townes, Columbia University professor and Nobel laureate for Physics 1964 for the Laser.
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forkberry wrote:

My friend slipped on a banana peel and fell over. What caused my friend to fall over?


[ ] gravity
[ ] banana peel
[ ] lack of balance/unfit
[ ] stupidity
[x] all of the above


Ding ding ding!

It's impossible to squeeze causation down to one subject or object, when the nature of reality is that all is one, and one is all. Free will is an illusion. I am you and you are me.
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