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I went to a private school that taught young earth. It never made sense to me that the Earth would be 6000 years old. If I can remember what I was taught the 6000 year theory comes from God creating the world in 6 literal days. When it comes to radiometric dating( which is what my school used to "disprove' old earth) they said it's circular reasoning because the rocks date the fossils and the fossils date the rocks. This is what I remember hearing as to why people hold to young earth. The whole Young Earth Theory to do this day does not make sense to me as it seems like most of history was just overlooked when coming up with 6000 years.
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Jesus did say He was there at creation ...but He didn't say how many years ago that was, nor can the Bible be used to date the history of the earth. Far more than 18% believe God had some role in evolution - I don't understand what difference that would make; the earth is a sphere, water boils at 212 F, science advances (gasp) even when scientists are people of faith. Assuming people of faith are ignorant, well that is the height of ignorance and arrogance. A very old earth would not disprove the Biblical account in any case ...Intelligent Design is fine with it.




So many people who believe in intelligent design don't believe in a young earth? Many of them believe in an earth that is over 4 billion years old and a universe that is nearly 14 billion years old? Is this true? I'd like to know.

Why I'd like to know is because even though I don't believe the earth is 6,000 years old, I believe in God and am very spiritual and I count myself as one who believes in intelligent design, it is just that...I had thought for all this time that those who believe in intelligent design only believed in an earth that was 6,000 years old or some other (relatively) short period of time.
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Wait...

The earth isn't 2015 years old?!

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I think it's wrong to confine God to our same standards of time. I mean who are we to tell God exactly how long a day is? How arrogant of a people are we if we think we can dictate the person who made this entire universe how long it took them to make the earth? I mean there is nothing saying that his day is as long as our day. I mean who's to saying that a day for him couldn't be 10,000 or a million years for us?
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First - there are various varieties of those who believe in a literal interpretation of Creation in the Bible. Some are Old Earth Creationists, some are Young Earth Creationists, some believe in Gap Creationism, etc. There is a variety of interpretation among Christians as to what the beginning of time means in Genesis, science, etc.

Second - Does it have any appreciable impact on how a person lives their lives what they believe about the days of creation? I'd say no. One can live their life, be in the work force, and even make scientific discoveries which are beneficial to society with a young earth creationist mindset.

Third - the math and physics research of Dr. Gerald Schroeder fascinates me. In the article I linked he posits that the earth is both old and young depending on where you are standing in time. He comes at this from a Jewish perspective, but it still matches with the Christian perspectives we see today in modern creationism. Now, how does this work? From the beginning of time when the universe was smaller, it will look as though a few days have passed. When looking backwards from today, it will look as though billions of years have passed. Here's the math from his book/article:

The calculations come out to be as follows:
• The first of the Biblical days lasted 24 hours, viewed from the "beginning of time perspective." But the duration from our perspective was 8 billion years.
• The second day, from the Bible's perspective lasted 24 hours. From our perspective it lasted half of the previous day, 4 billion years.
• The third 24 hour day also included half of the previous day, 2 billion years.
• The fourth 24 hour day ― one billion years.
• The fifth 24 hour day ― one-half billion years.
• The sixth 24 hour day ― one-quarter billion years.
When you add up the Six Days, you get the age of the universe at 15 and 3/4 billion years. The same as modern cosmology.
It's an interesting mathematical concept/theory and one which I find fascinating. Has it held up to critical muster? I don't know - but it's interesting nonetheless.
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You mean the earth isnt 2015 years old?!?
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It is? But I thought there was, like, evidence that said it's a lot older than that...

Ehh, whatever.
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It all seems to boil down to a religious argument. Doesn't it...
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It's not the education system's fault if people don't believe what is taught. I agree the education system is flawed but it's no reason to scapegoat it. I attribute this 18% to people who are highly conservative religious people who were taught to believe what they believe now or simply people ignorant on the matter, which isn't a bad thing. So what? Who is it harming? Jesus Christ, person A doesn't know the age of the Earth?! How will I function and go to work? My life is forever ruined!!
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Fanimusmaximus wrote:

It all seems to boil down to a religious argument. Doesn't it...


Boils down to faith over facts and reality. Faith is about belief in something that isn't provable. Science is about proving how reality works and is based on the evidence found in reality. I will never say faith isn't a bad thing extremism is a bad thing, forcing other to your beliefs is not good. Facts are not belief they stand true wither you believe in them or not, educating people to understand that reality is not belief but facts is a good thing. You can still have belief but it should never deceive you about reality, believing in a lie means you are lying to yourself to make it real and when reality comes crashing in you won't be happy.
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So many people who believe in intelligent design don't believe in a young earth? Many of them believe in an earth that is over 4 billion years old and a universe that is nearly 14 billion years old? Is this true? I'd like to know.

Why I'd like to know is because even though I don't believe the earth is 6,000 years old, I believe in God and am very spiritual and I count myself as one who believes in intelligent design, it is just that...I had thought for all this time that those who believe in intelligent design only believed in an earth that was 6,000 years old or some other (relatively) short period of time.


Well how about you ask your god why he made us in such a fashion that we take in food and oxygen through the same passage, such that if it gets clogged we suffocate and die...
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I'm almost 18 so the earth is almost 18


Wait if the earth is not 18 years old yet, does that mean I'm older than the earth?


That means you're not real.

Sorry about that.
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Jesus did say He was there at creation ...but He didn't say how many years ago that was, nor can the Bible be used to date the history of the earth. Far more than 18% believe God had some role in evolution - I don't understand what difference that would make; the earth is a sphere, water boils at 212 F, science advances (gasp) even when scientists are people of faith. Assuming people of faith are ignorant, well that is the height of ignorance and arrogance. A very old earth would not disprove the Biblical account in any case ...Intelligent Design is fine with it.


212 at sea level at higher elevations it goes down less energy required. James Ussher Archbishop of Armagh went through the bible in 17th century and compiled all the bigots. He did this to determine figure out the age of the earth, so this is where the age for the young earth folks come up with the number for the age of the earth. I have already explained how we actually get to the real age of the earth, you use uranium lead dating. The material used for this was from meteorites which one can assume are as old as the solar system not something found on earth.

Now C.C. Patterson the guy that figured this out, had some trouble doing so. The amount of lead in the environment because it was being added to fuel at the time. To overcome this he invented clean rooms which we still use to this day. He also led the campaign against lead poisoning which was really a problem this is why lead isn't found in gas or pain anymore and we freak out over it being in toys it is nasty stuff. But he figured it out using a meteorite found in Canyon Diablo where it had impacted fifty thousand years earlier. He also dealt with the original problem of lead contamination getting it outlawed and making the environment safer. Look up the effects of lead poisoning and the number of cases before it was outlawed in fuel and paint.

But Mr. Patterson figure out the age of the earth at rough 4.5 billion years old giver or take 70 million years using a method that is still used today to detriment the age of rocks. So the earth is that old. As for intelligent design, I have some complains about the design just a few starting with reproductive system and waster disposal system sharing the same space and in some cases the same plumbing. A skeletal system that isn't' designed to walk upright and a visual system designed for use underwater not in air. A vestal organ that servers no function and can kill you.

There is no proof we are intelligently designed there is; however, enough ample proof we evolved and continue to do so. Evolution on a micro scale happens all the time this is why the flu and cold are so hard to stamp out they evolve. On a macro scale it happens as well it isn't as visible but it is occurring. At a genetic level our closest relative in the animal kingdom is the chimpanzee at 4% difference not a huge amount of drift there but enough to give us speech which is the biggest thing that divides us from our animal cousins. So yeah we evolved yes the earth is old. The proof is there just a matter of understanding and excepting it as fact. Oh facts are true wither you believe in them or not it isn't a matter of belief for me I know these facts are true. Same as I know gravity will hold me to the ground I have facts proving that it does.

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Is it 100% certain that the Earth isn't younger than ten thousand years old? No, no it isn't. Doesn't matter if it's even 99.99%. So long as there is a 0.01% possibility that it is younger than ten thousand years old, it can't be ruled out.

Bro, do you even science?
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Is it 100% certain that the Earth isn't younger than ten thousand years old? No, no it isn't. Doesn't matter if it's even 99.99%. So long as there is a 0.01% possibility that it is younger than ten thousand years old, it can't be ruled out.

Bro, do you even science?


Who are you and what have you done with Phersu?
You do make a very good point. However if evidence is showing an older earth wouldn't that be the best to go with. Isn't the simpler answer usually the correct one? Even if there is more evidence for older earth I do agree that we should not rule anything out. How do we really know what is true and what is not?

I apologize for any weird grammar errors I'm on my phone and it some times causes weird grammar mistakes lol.
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