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I'm on the cop's side. I mean...the guy was a deranged mess. He was probably on some sort of drug (I forget which one, but it makes you hallucinate and aggressive and strong). If the unarmed man tackled the police officer...he could have strangled him to death, or wrestled for his gun and got it...can't blame the cop for shooting him. He only shot him twice, right? He was just trying to incapacitate him I think. The man just happened to die, though. But the man was deranged and dangerous, and charged a cop. The police officer had a right to fire if it meant saving his own life.


It was a naked unarmed man!!!

And the cop was armed with a taser too....

I mean.... If anything, the cop should have stunned his ass...

and he should go back for training.



Read my post that is two above your post.


I did.. and even STILL, I say he should have used the taser first. Especially with everyone up in arms about police using excessive lethal force these days..

And why the fuck didn't he have backup? Seriously. I walk down the fucking street and if a cop wants to see my ID, I'm surrounded by ten of the fuckers before my lily white ass can reach for my wallet. Thank GOD I'm not black. My motherfucking ass would be dead the moment I step outside my apartment.
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I wonder if there's a handbook for making excuses when a police officer murders someone. "He reached for my gun." "He charged at me." These seem to be the most common excuses. As long as a cop says these words, they're free to go. Doesn't matter if they're telling the truth. Doesn't matter if their story contradicts witnesses or evidence. All they have to do is say these magic words and the justice system will act like nothing happened.
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The problem after the fact is that the consequences of a tragedy such as this is the witch hunt that follows.
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Posted 3/13/15
Anyone get a tox report on this guy yet?
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Posted 3/13/15 , edited 3/13/15

serifsansserif wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:

I'm on the cop's side. I mean...the guy was a deranged mess. He was probably on some sort of drug (I forget which one, but it makes you hallucinate and aggressive and strong). If the unarmed man tackled the police officer...he could have strangled him to death, or wrestled for his gun and got it...can't blame the cop for shooting him. He only shot him twice, right? He was just trying to incapacitate him I think. The man just happened to die, though. But the man was deranged and dangerous, and charged a cop. The police officer had a right to fire if it meant saving his own life.


It was a naked unarmed man!!!

And the cop was armed with a taser too....

I mean.... If anything, the cop should have stunned his ass...

and he should go back for training.



Read my post that is two above your post.


I did.. and even STILL, I say he should have used the taser first. Especially with everyone up in arms about police using excessive lethal force these days..

And why the fuck didn't he have backup? Seriously. I walk down the fucking street and if a cop wants to see my ID, I'm surrounded by ten of the fuckers before my lily white ass can reach for my wallet. Thank GOD I'm not black. My motherfucking ass would be dead the moment I step outside my apartment.


Well, think what it might have been like for the cop. Maybe preparing the tazer just wouldn't have been fast enough. What if he does have a wife/spouse and some children? What if using the gun was the very best option for himself? What if that man was on drugs and extra dangerous because of it? The police officer shouldn't try to do what is in that man's best interest in this case. The police officer has the right to preserve his own life. In addition, he only fired two shots. It wasn't something like he unloaded 7 shots into the guy. I think he just wanted to fire enough shots to eliminate the threat. The man happened to die, but I'm not going to be hard on this police officer.

Yeah, I'm unhappy with a lot of police officers who make headlines these days, but not every police officer who uses lethal force on a black person is in the wrong for it. It isn't like every time that happens the police officer is in the wrong and some racist scumbag or something. I think in this instance, it was justifiable for the police officer to open fire. As much as I can be unhappy with a lot of police officers who make headlines these days, we also have to think how many of them are in dangerous situations on any given day, they deal with dangerous people and things are hard to predict and they have to make quick decisions and split second decisions sometimes, and you know, maybe this guy does have a family that loves him and he wants to go home to his family and if using the gun is the best option for his safety...why mess around with a tazer if it isn't the best option (and it very well may have not been his option), just for what? To avoid controversy? Cops should try to not use lethal force when they can help it, but sometimes they need to use their guns, and contrary to all the controversial incidents we see reported, a lot of times they are justified in using their guns.
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Was there an alternative to using a firearm on him?


well he did have a stun gun, and pepper spray, could have called backup. So was their a alternative?
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Well, you can try and use your nightstick/baton, but once again, you are running into the problem that this dude isn't going to feel pain right. PCP can be used as a pain killer, so you have someone out of them mind, that can't feel pain.



Right. The firearm was the safest option, then. Shame it ended the way it did.
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Tasers doesn't work that well on people that far gone.


Other than a taser? I'm assuming not?

Ah, well.


Well, you can try and use your nightstick/baton, but once again, you are running into the problem that this dude isn't going to feel pain right. PCP can be used as a pain killer, so you have someone out of them mind, that can't feel pain.



you assuming that he was on psp, and not just mentally handicapped. In the second video they talked about a witness that said the man was walking toward the cop with his hands up. Not barking, not charging, not even making any threatening actions. Other than being naked that is.

Or what if he was an ok man, who could have been slipped a bad drug in his drink later that day. See where assuming gets you, cop did not know if he was mentally handicapped or on drugs. SO HE SHOOTS HIM! That just seems wrong to me, I would think he would have called for backup. (that way he could have dealt with it more safely, in a group until they find out what is going on. )
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well he did have a stun gun, and pepper spray, could have called backup. So was their a alternative?


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Miami police suspect that what caused a 31-year-old man to rip off his clothes and viciously gnaw on the face of another man in a daylight attack on a busy highway is a new and extremely dangerous street drug known as "bath salts."

A Miami police officer shot Rudy Eugene Saturday after repeated pleas for him stop eating another man's face. His demands were met with only growls. Eugene continued, and it took four bullets to kill and finally stop him as witnesses watched in horror.

According to police little remained of the victim's face, with 75 percent of it eaten away rendering him almost unrecognizable. One source says all that remained was blood and the victim's goatee. ABC News affiliate WPLG identified the victim as Ronald Poppo.


Police have not officially connected Eugene's behavior to "bath salts," but experts say he was exhibiting the classic signs of someone high on the drug.

Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of police, who has been in contact with the officer who killed Eugene, says the similarities between this and other recent cases involving "bath salts" are striking.

"The cases are similar minus a man eating another. People taking off their clothes. People suddenly have super human strength," says Aguilar. "They become violent and they are burning up for the inside. Their organs are reaching a level that most would die. By the time police approach them they are a walking dead person."

According to WPLG, the victim was a 65 year-old, apparently homeless man who was living near the causeway where the attack occurred.

Eugene, who was believed to be homeless, left few clues behind as to what led to the attack. Court records show that although he was arrested several times, they were for minor offenses. His ex-wife described him as having violent tendencies, but is shocked by the attack.

As investigators pour over surveillance video and continue soliciting the public's help in solving this case, many are looking to "bath salts" as the potential trigger of this vicious attack.

According to Aguilar one of the recent cases in Miami involving "bath salts," which is becoming increasingly popular in the party scene, involved someone trying to bite another, but police were able to get there in time. Most have involved individuals behaving incredibly irrationally and nearly impossible to control.

"There was another incident after the popular Ultra Festival where a guy was walking around naked, and was hit by a taxi. He jumped on top of the taxi, beat the people inside. It took 15 officers to stop him, and as he was being tasered, he was begging them to shoot and kill him," says Aguilar. "But because we had that many officers we were able to subdue him and take him to the hospital where they basically froze him."



Don't do strange drugs people.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

you assuming that he was on psp, and not just mentally handicapped. In the second video they talked about a witness that said the man was walking toward the cop with his hands up. Not barking, not charging, not even making any threatening actions. Other than being naked that is.


Sure, that's what they said.

But don't come crying to me if they start eating your face off instead.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

you assuming that he was on psp, and not just mentally handicapped. In the second video they talked about a witness that said the man was walking toward the cop with his hands up. Not barking, not charging, not even making any threatening actions. Other than being naked that is.


Sure, that's what they said.

But don't come crying to me if they start eating your face off instead.


He was walking the cop had time to get to someplace safe as he called for backup, where they could have taken him down in a more safer way. In the same time if a cop is to afraid for his life that he needs to shoot naked people, then he was not meant to be a cop, you took the job knowing the risk. At least that is how it was for me wen I was a SP in the Air Force.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

you assuming that he was on psp, and not just mentally handicapped. In the second video they talked about a witness that said the man was walking toward the cop with his hands up. Not barking, not charging, not even making any threatening actions. Other than being naked that is.


Sure, that's what they said.

But don't come crying to me if they start eating your face off instead.


He was walking the cop had time to get to someplace safe as he called for backup, where they could have taken him down in a more safer way. In the same time if a cop is to afraid for his life that he needs to shoot naked people, then he was not meant to be a cop, you took the job knowing the risk. At least that is how it was for me wen I was a SP in the Air Force.


Sure you don't mean SF?
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Its sad how so many people fall to insanity (not the kind where people say "you're crazy" but still hang out with you). Such a tragic waste of the mind. Then again, if this wasn't from natural causes but rather induced by drugs or something, then he was already a waste anyway.

I apologize if I sound cold or insensitive, but I have zero sympathy for those who suffer or die due to their own idiocy.
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I wonder if there's a handbook for making excuses when a police officer murders someone. "He reached for my gun." "He charged at me." These seem to be the most common excuses. As long as a cop says these words, they're free to go. Doesn't matter if they're telling the truth. Doesn't matter if their story contradicts witnesses or evidence. All they have to do is say these magic words and the justice system will act like nothing happened.


But isn't that also kinda their JOB?!?!?! to be in dangerous situations and know how to handle them with the least number of casualties and damage!?!?!?!?!
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