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Post Reply Do you believe the media is pushing a "Cops vs. Innocents" agenda?
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Most of the cops I know are good people.
BUT
When they kill a guy for throwing rocks at them after he tries to give up, that's wrong.

I've run into a few guys that think the only difference between you and the "purp" in the back seat is, "you ain't been caught yet." We need to police the police that think like that and get rid of them. Most cops I know agree with me on that.

People are asking more questions and the media has a lot to do with that.
A fellow I know who is a corrections officer posted a banner on Facebook noting the how well and militarily armed the police are and that if the police are so armed so should he. In many regards I agree with him.

I've lived in towns where the cops were assholes, it isn't anything you want to have to deal with, regardless what color you might be.

Sensationalism is the standard fare in every media outlet, it gets readers, followers and ad revenue... keep that in mind.
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kingrumZ wrote:

porque no dos?

is there police brutality and cruelty?
yes.
Is the media marketing the idea of police vs. innocents?
yes.
I have had a black police officer as a professor before and during class we watched a couple of videos of white police officers blasting away white innocents because they made sudden jerky movements.
For example an old man pulled out his cane when the police told him to get out of his vehicle and the officer fired at the old man. The police officer then started crying because he realized that it was a cane and not a shotgun. My professor then said something to the effect of " now this officer is going to be hesitant the next time someone makes a similar motion which may cost him his life"
Either people need to be educated on the cognition of police officers or police officers need re-training in their tactics.
Police officers believe that in some point during their career, there will be someone who will attempt to kill me knowing that I am a police officer
IF police officers are trained to believe that people will make attempts on their lives, then when a police officer see someone making movements that look like an individual is drawing a firearm, the officer is more than likely going to shoot.
The media is able to market this because it goes against the values of America, such as "to protect and serve".
The media is able to market the clash between the ideal values that America has concerning law enforcement and the real values of law enforcement which do not match the values.

This is the way forward:
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I was a DOD Police Officer assigned to an AF Base. The biggest difference was due to our Asst Chief, a man that pushed for mandatory additional training every month. I got to attend many official FBI training weekends as well as the hand gun proficiency tests for agents. We also got limited training from the local Police Academy. This training allows me a better view of the problem.
And the first thing is......


THERE IS NO EASY ANSWER!!!

Every incident must be judged on its own and not by the media. The media fans the flames of distrust and hate. They have an agenda beyond just reporting the news.

There are some reasons to blame the police, but more to blame the media, scum lawyers, and of course the "victim"
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I do think there's a lot of sensationalism in the media these days that's about pitting cops versus citizens in the hopes of getting bigger ratings, HOWEVER, I also feel that this:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

I was a cop in Air Force, Half my friends are cops. That said... American Police officers a very poorly trained, who are told to shoot if they feel their livers are in danger, Its this training that leads to a lot of people (600+ a years) Being killed in America. If we count the survivors its even more.

If you can not handle a guy with a pocket knife, or being naked on drug, or being homeless and upset without shooting them, then maybe you should think about getting another job. You took a job that have risk, and you should be able to handle the situation without going over board. If you can't its not a job for you.


is absolutely true. There's too many people out there that are not properly trained and due to the mentality that the police have of "us vs. them" as well as how quickly and readily we give out police access to military grade equipment and how quickly the respond with SWAT team force to simple calls, it's just not a good situation.

I'd actually rather see our police trained more and more in how to handle things with nonlethal force, reinforce the notion of learning to assess a situation and to know when it is appropriate to call for backup and when not, and learn how to be better detectives and situationally aware rather than basically municipality hired thugs.
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The media is basically doing something they have always done: Yellow Journalism

They also play on people's emotions especially when tensions are high.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

I was a cop in Air Force, Half my friends are cops. That said... American Police officers a very poorly trained, who are told to shoot if they feel their livers are in danger, Its this training that leads to a lot of people (600+ a years) Being killed in America. If we count the survivors its even more.

If you can not handle a guy with a pocket knife, or being naked on drug, or being homeless and upset without shooting them, then maybe you should think about getting another job. You took a job that have risk, and you should be able to handle the situation without going over board. If you can't its not a job for you.


Gotta say you're wrong there. They aren't poorly trained. They're trained to follow the laws and regulations while STILL attempting to submit their suspect without breaking the law. I'm not backing those officers who shoot quickly (from some I've read like one where a kid with a Wii Remote was shot they were rookies, under 2 years) because there are extremely fishy stories out there and there is corruption. But to label them all, that's not accurate, either.

As for the media, I don't see stories about officers doing good deeds (as their supposed to) as those who are involved with public gunfire. Or gunfire in general.

Edit: FYI, training costs money. I don't see states funding police communities as oft as military in the States. Grants come every now and then, too. Most money comes from the taxes, anyways.

Edit 2: Let me rephrase something; Peace Officers aren't supposed to be poorly trained. This is supposing agencies follow their state regulations and properly train their officers. If not, they you've got yourself a story.
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It's a little of both. For the most part, the media only cares about covering big stories for more ratings. On the other hand, the media is uncovering a lot of cases of police brutality that would've otherwise been ignored. Even if their intention is only to fill their pockets with money and they don't care about the issues they're reporting, they're still bringing a serious issue to light.

I don't understand why people say the media is biased just because they never report about the good cops who do their jobs. Sure they're biased, but that's not why. If an officer is saving lives, stopping crimes, patrolling in his police car, keeping an eye on civilians, than that's normal. It means that officer is doing his job. You will never hear a news reporter say "BREAKING NEWS! A man just did his job!" The cops who target civilians, whether intentionally or unintentionally, are the abnormal ones and the trouble makers. It should be obvious why they're the ones who always appear in the news. If a fire fighter starts a fire instead of putting one out, would you be angry at the media for not talking about the fire fighters that do their jobs?
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just develop the Sibyl System and we're good to go...
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Sogno- wrote:

just develop the Sibyl System and we're good to go...


Japanese Big Brother is a nightmare. Please, no!
Posted 3/14/15
Most likely.
Shit last Summer the news was going crazy over ebola, now almost no news site mentions ebola almost like it's completely gone and now it just moved unto Police vs. Innocent people.
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Yup. And honestly, it's annoying. Even though there are some bad cops out there, not all of them are bad, and be honest, how would we defend ourselves if cops didn't exist?

People are bad.
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Its an agenda. The news is nobody's friend. They want viewers, money. They're a business like any other. Its a good evil since they provide other important information like whats going on around the world and what-not.
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Is it really an agenda? Is the media lying? A large amount of these incidents were recorded on videotape. Maybe the correct question should be do we really care what happens to poor people or minorities? The report from the Department of Justice proved for a fact that they were funding the city by issuing tickets, fines, jail time, assets seizures etc. to the poorest people of the community. This evidence just came out, this is 2015 so how long have they gotten away with this? Do you really believe this is an isolated incident? Maybe the real reason this keeps happening ....is that nobody really cares what happens to poor people or minorities. They are poor so their lives don't matter, they are black and brown their lives don't matter, they listen to rap, they were going to be thugs anyway, their lives don't matter, they are not really smart, so their lives don't matter. This is modern day Tsujigiri. Tsujigiri (辻斬り or 辻斬 tsuji-giri, literally 'crossroads killing') is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by, in many cases during nighttime.[1] The practitioners themselves are also referred to as tsujigiri.[1]
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burnknuckle wrote:

This is modern day Tsujigiri. Tsujigiri (辻斬り or 辻斬 tsuji-giri, literally 'crossroads killing') is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by, in many cases during nighttime.[1] The practitioners themselves are also referred to as tsujigiri.[1]


wao.
Next time i see a police officer at night, i'll run for my life.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

I was a cop in Air Force, Half my friends are cops. That said... American Police officers a very poorly trained, who are told to shoot if they feel their livers are in danger, Its this training that leads to a lot of people (600+ a years) Being killed in America. If we count the survivors its even more.

If you can not handle a guy with a pocket knife, or being naked on drug, or being homeless and upset without shooting them, then maybe you should think about getting another job. You took a job that have risk, and you should be able to handle the situation without going over board. If you can't its not a job for you.


That pretty much sums it up. I think another problem is that police usually come from one community and police other communities. It kinda leads to a separation were police start to view the people the police as others. What we need is police being from the community they police so they understand the people, and situations that happen there.
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