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Posted 3/14/15

nanikore2 wrote:

Sometimes people start theads just to get others upset or angry at them and subsequently lure others into heated debates (almost always about religion).

What makes them that way? More importantly, how can they be helped? (I do think they need help.)


I think they post because something is of a large concern to them, though not necessarily for others.

They aren't "trolls" in the traditional sense of people acting like assholes just to get a rise out of someone, but that they genuinely are passionate about these topics.

When they post about it, they're either lashing out because in their day to day lives, or something they may have seen elsewhere on the forums has instigated that sore spot for them (and probably not intentionally, though perhaps in some cases it is, but I give a benefit of the doubt to both the so called trolls and their instigators), or they post something because they simply simply have tunnel vision from a lot of time spent going around and around their rationale, trying to either find holes in it (that they can't find) or tearing apart the criticisms that it has faced in order to prove just how true what they believe is. Their posts are a reaching out for either confirmation or to test their beliefs because they no longer can find criticisms or weakness in it and have gotten to that state of believing it to be a universal truth...

Real trolls just post "fuk u" or "yur mom" and try to get a rise out of you.

We have very few trolls here.
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The only solution is euthanasia.


This IS an anime site. If we're fully stocked on something, it's youths in asia...

(bad joke)
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Lala thinks we should just make it illegal and lock them all up in jail!
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CoffeeGodEddy wrote:

The only solution is euthanasia.


This IS an anime site. If we're fully stocked on something, it's youths in asia...

(bad joke)


Holy crap that was terrible. Clever, but oh so terrible.
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Really comes down to moderation in the long run. The difference between a forum with a coherent moderation policy (and the staff to enforce it) compared to one without such, is that individual trolls exist for more than 1 day and their posts continue to exist.

In forums with codified moderation, you have flame wars that span ... maybe an hour before they are locked and the troll at least warned.


In the short term, the best way to dissuade trolling is to not take the bait. Better to help the "casual" forumgoer understand they are reading a troll thread and not to respond to it and feed the cycle. Things like calling out "this is another troll thread, this guy makes one of these every week, don't respond" may be enough.
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It ain't like there's a professional therapy group for Trolls to be at.

Look at it like this, you're you- if you are what you make yourself out to be then that's you, if you don't have the willpower to stop being the kind of person you don't like to be then you have no self respect, you lavish in cynical irony, you find no self-improvement in being here rather then utter meaningless words to flame and pretending like you won, then you know bring down my day.
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Pika2346 wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:


CoffeeGodEddy wrote:

The only solution is euthanasia.


This IS an anime site. If we're fully stocked on something, it's youths in asia...

(bad joke)


Holy crap that was terrible. Clever, but oh so terrible.


*bows*

I aim to please...
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I don't believe opposition viewpoints should be considered trolling.A couple of reasons why people are offensive is in order to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies, and then there are people that are offensive out of inexperience and ignorance.There really is an infinite number of possible motivations. If you find yourself embroiled in a online unwanted heated discussion you always have the option of finding something else to do.It's the old adage if you don't like what's on TV ,turn it off.If the other party becomes abusive, that's what the moderator is for.What concerns me more is there has been a few instances where crunchyroll forums has been used by people that are clearly self destructive, and would profit more from a suicide hotline than the use of this venue.
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You should just let them be, but if they offend you it's your own god damn fault.
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So lately since CR forum is becoming a 4chan style of trolls and forums topics, sometimes the ban-hammer is not enough...
I present you the SPOLIER Hammer, instead of getting banned you get spoiled according to your history watch list!
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mow123 wrote:
are two trolls fighting each other still trolls? aren't they just friends because they are both getting what they want from each other? They could also just be classified as mean people.


To me, trolling is a bit more than about getting reactions, it's a form of an attack. If two people keep hurting each other then they're victimizing each other and victimizing themselves by keeping the ire. It's kind of like some kind of really harsh liquor, where it's obviously bad for you and you get sick the first few times you drink it, but then you get used to the poison and get addicted.

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Thought Police and an Echo Chamber.

Problem is most people call people who disagree with their, ALWAYS CORRECT, ideas, well, trolls. This is not the case. If you are so mentally weak that you can not defend your ideas without calling in mommy and daddy, it's time to take a break from the internet hugbox and harden the fuck up.

And calling trolls evil, that's just silly.

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BlueOni wrote:

It occurs to me that I didn't actually answer the prompt of the thread. I expressed how we can help ourselves, and I cited an exception to that method's effectiveness, but I didn't say how the trolls themselves can be helped.

We know nothing about the trolls we see and speak with. We can't even as much as assume they're alone when they're trolling, or that the same person is authoring every post. A troll you're arguing with could in fact be a group of bored teenagers looking to amuse themselves by laughing at your replies to incisive comments they don't even believe or support. Even the fact that you reply could be enough to entertain them if they're easily amused. Alternatively, they might not be physically together, but may have met online and agreed to coordinate and troll a chosen place for the same reason. We don't know anything about them, so how can we presume to know how to help them (or if they even need help)? For all I know the trolls are winning bets every time they manage to get a crazy thread to break a certain amount of pages.


Then again, if the general engagement is changed by people trying to help them (and approaching the conversation from that point of view instead of a hostile posture, something like just specifically pointing out the hurtfulness and how that's the wrong way to express that view) instead of fighting back, it wouldn't matter if they're playing with people... They would have to adapt their posture also lest it be a one-sided thing (which would again bore them if that's really the case).

I don't think I'd want to ignore them, since some of them might actually be suffering and really are lashing out to create more suffering.
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Thought Police and an Echo Chamber.

Problem is most people call people who disagree with their, ALWAYS CORRECT, ideas, well, trolls. This is not the case. If you are so mentally weak that you can not defend your ideas without calling in mommy and daddy, it's time to take a break from the internet hugbox and harden the fuck up.

And calling trolls evil, that's just silly.

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You misunderstand. I'm referring to people who deliberately make others angry by being belligerent. (i.e. Attacking the audience)

If someone is actually looking for a productive conversation instead of a fight, then that person would have to engage accordingly.
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Trolls these days have really lost the soul of what it used to mean to be a troll.

Real trolling is an art form , not this singular intent to cause chaos and anger by any means attitude that dominates today. Sigh.
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