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Post Reply Overworked to suicide in Japan
Posted 3/14/15

bensonc120 wrote:

Don't be loyal to your employers. They don't care about you because everyone is replaceable. Smart people are loyal to themselves. If someone else offers you more pay, better perks, just take it. Loyalty is such an outdated concept to have in today's working society.

Also if someone is causing you so much misery that you are going to take your own life, why not take out a couple assholes first then kill yourself?


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For what part of my post? the 2d > 3d one, or the playing with random pervs one? XDD

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Posted 3/14/15 , edited 3/14/15
Karōshi (過労死) is a word that specifically means "death from overwork" in Japanese. The Japanese salarymen envy the outside world where there is no English word equivalent to "karoshi", messaging to them that there might be an easier world out there.

I currently work in Japan. The person next to me has once fainted from overwork in his past job, and my current team leader is working minimum 4 hours overtime 5 days a week. He's a slave that doesn't know how to say "no" to new requests. In a Japanese bank I interned at in the past, overwork was pushed to the point where the Labor Authority had to install software that forcefully shuts down all the offices' computers after a specified time. This is because the underlings have no voice against the uppermen. If you have no skill, you have no power. You're a slave. Luckily, I am not a slave because I have skill.

The Ministry of Health and Labor recently (literally, last month) banned overwork after 10pm. Guess what? The workers in the Ministry of Health and Labor work past 10pm themselves. Their catch copy is, "this time, we're serious."
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I overwork myself. I got two jobs and work 7 days a week between the two and my hours range from 60 to 65 without overtime from my first job. My first job sometimes makes us work overtime which ranges from 6 hours to 10 hours. The most hours I worked in one week was 71.
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Here are some simple tips for bosses to not only making their employees happier, but also healthier:

1. Bosses need to ease up on their employees. Sure, deadlines can be tight and money makes the world go round, but you need to think about your employees' health as well. No work gets done if there are fewer and fewer employees.
2. Employees working overtime need to be recognized for their diligence. They are taking time out of their personal lives to help even further. As such, overtime hours should be given a slight increase in their paychecks. This will encourage the employees' work efficiency, which will strengthen the company in the long run.
3. Get to know the employees as well. They may have certain personal issues on their minds that add to their stress levels. If they know that their boss has their backs, their morale will become stronger and that leads to strong work ethics. It may even produce greater financial yield.

Simple steps that anyone can do. Maybe I should be the boss of a company. I'd be willing to wager that my employees would be happy, healthy, and loyal.
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^ Are you proposing a slight increase to overtime rates? Otherwise, you're just describing how to be a responsible and respected officer.


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Japan is very strange. Most of their offices and school systems are barely more advanced than 1960 America. Paper systems, manual accounting, etc etc. High suicide rate, and a birth rate that's falling has Japan as losing 30 million people in under 40 years. That's what, a decline of 30+% of their population?


Let's have us a look-see:

As of July 2014 they were at 126,999,808 people. That means 30 million people lost would be 23%. Now, where did you get this decline figure? The Japanese government? The UN? The US? No hostility, just looking for the where.


bensonc120 wrote:Don't be loyal to your employers. They don't care about you because everyone is replaceable. Smart people are loyal to themselves. If someone else offers you more pay, better perks, just take it. Loyalty is such an outdated concept to have in today's working society.

Also if someone is causing you so much misery that you are going to take your own life, why not take out a couple assholes first then kill yourself?


There is an alternative path to being mindlessly loyal to one's employers and Randian selfishness/suicidal psychopathy. You realize that trade unions, cooperatives, and socialist parties exist, right?
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^ Are you proposing a slight increase to overtime rates? Otherwise, you're just describing how to be a responsible and respected officer.


Have you taken a good, long look at the world lately? Being responsible and respected is exactly what needs to happen. Its such a simple concept, yet people are so much more inclined to be lazy, selfish, and greedy that, because its gone unchecked for so long, the entire world is suffering for it.

Once people stop clinging to their immaturity and think about what would be best in the long run, the answer will be right in front of them. That's really all it takes. Once they do, everything will fall into place exactly as it needs to. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
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Posted 3/14/15 , edited 3/15/15

BlueOni wrote:

^ Are you proposing a slight increase to overtime rates? Otherwise, you're just describing how to be a responsible and respected officer.


VZ68 wrote:

Japan is very strange. Most of their offices and school systems are barely more advanced than 1960 America. Paper systems, manual accounting, etc etc. High suicide rate, and a birth rate that's falling has Japan as losing 30 million people in under 40 years. That's what, a decline of 30+% of their population?


Let's have us a look-see:

As of July 2014 they were at 126,999,808 people. That means 30 million people lost would be 23%. Now, where did you get this decline figure? The Japanese government? The UN? The US? No hostility, just looking for the where.


BBC ran a thing on it awhile ago:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30653825

Then it seems that it is even worse than they realize.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/07/japans-birth-rate-problem-is-way-worse-than-anyone-imagined/


Japan’s population shrank by its largest amount on record in 2014. Roughly 1.001 million people were born and 1.269 million people died last year, leaving the country with 268,000 fewer people overall.


That's over 50% of how many Japanese people died (civilians) in WWII. Or a bit over 10% of their total losses.
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Black_Knight_Weiss wrote:

Have you taken a good, long look at the world lately? Being responsible and respected is exactly what needs to happen. Its such a simple concept, yet people are so much more inclined to be lazy, selfish, and greedy that, because its gone unchecked for so long, the entire world is suffering for it.

Once people stop clinging to their immaturity and think about what would be best in the long run, the answer will be right in front of them. That's really all it takes. Once they do, everything will fall into place exactly as it needs to. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.


Truly, in my heart, I cannot. I honestly cannot. You've a solid point.


VZ68 wrote:

BBC ran a thing on it awhile ago:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30653825

Then it seems that it is even worse than they realize.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/07/japans-birth-rate-problem-is-way-worse-than-anyone-imagined/


Japan’s population shrank by its largest amount on record in 2014. Roughly 1.001 million people were born and 1.269 million people died last year, leaving the country with 268,000 fewer people overall.


That's over 50% of how many Japanese people died (civilians) in WWII. Or a bit over 10% of their total losses.


Let me give that a quick look. BBC and Washington Post are sources I trust, so no risk of my saying "Beh, biased sources!" exists. Just a moment, sir.

Edit: I see. The figures are far worse than I'd imagined indeed. This is very disconcerting. What do you think there is to be done?
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VZ68 wrote:


BlueOni wrote:

^ Are you proposing a slight increase to overtime rates? Otherwise, you're just describing how to be a responsible and respected officer.


VZ68 wrote:

Japan is very strange. Most of their offices and school systems are barely more advanced than 1960 America. Paper systems, manual accounting, etc etc. High suicide rate, and a birth rate that's falling has Japan as losing 30 million people in under 40 years. That's what, a decline of 30+% of their population?


Let's have us a look-see:

As of July 2014 they were at 126,999,808 people. That means 30 million people lost would be 23%. Now, where did you get this decline figure? The Japanese government? The UN? The US? No hostility, just looking for the where.


BBC ran a thing on it awhile ago:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30653825

Then it seems that it is even worse than they realize.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/07/japans-birth-rate-problem-is-way-worse-than-anyone-imagined/


Japan’s population shrank by its largest amount on record in 2014. Roughly 1.001 million people were born and 1.269 million people died last year, leaving the country with 268,000 fewer people overall.


That's over 50% of how many Japanese people died (civilians) in WWII. Or a bit over 10% of their total losses.


You know, now that I think about it, I recall that some anime shows actually touch on the falling birth rate in Japan, though it's mostly in the form of schools getting closed and students merging with another one (can't think of a specific one at the moment, sorry).

I just wonder what will happen in the next 50 years there if this trend continues where not enough babies are born. I don't think they'll accept immigration anytime soon either, for a variety of reasons.
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Maybe that's why Japanese students want to learn English and check out America. Less stress and more reproduction.
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karmacide wrote:

Temps are expected to work 12-14 hour days six or seven days a week here in the states. Usually rotating or swing shifts. This isn't just a Japanese problem.

Suicide is a natural response to those hours, you are already dead.

Even your dreams are of work.

It's hell.


I don't know where you got those numbers but that isn't true at all
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Life is hard. Death is easy. Here's the question: do you buy a game for the challenge and story it provides and get your money's worth or do you just not give a damn and want it to be over with as soon as possible?

Don't think suicide is the only route. Its only impactful if its like a cliché story where your sacrifice means that your allies get the opening they need to save the world. Just because your life is dull, tedious, and never seems to end, it doesn't mean you should just give up on it.

Just think: you decide to commit suicide just because your life is stressful and your boss is an ass. The very next day, the company you worked at is placed under new management with a completely revised work environment and schedule with your name on the list for a promotion to assistant manager because of how hard you worked with a pay rate generous enough to finally start living your life the way you've dreamed of. Then they receive news that you committed suicide before all this happened. Your whole life could've turned around had you not given up on it. An entire future that you took from yourself.

You never know....
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