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Posted 3/15/15

karmacide wrote:


drake3716 wrote:


karmacide wrote:

Temps are expected to work 12-14 hour days six or seven days a week here in the states. Usually rotating or swing shifts. This isn't just a Japanese problem.

Suicide is a natural response to those hours, you are already dead.

Even your dreams are of work.

It's hell.


I don't know where you got those numbers but that isn't true at all


Bullshit, I've done it for years of my life.

Come find to try work in michigan, you will see.

My last factory job was 12 hours 5 days a week, with mandatory overtime on saturdays and sundays. We stayed on that schedule for over a year, If we did well we would only have to work 6-8 hours on sunday, but that was because we were making double time.

They can work you as much as they want if they call it mandatory overtime and pay you time and a half.

When you burn out they just replace you in a day because so many people will take any job.

My record was 78 days of consecutive work.

http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/


According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.”


My record is 176 days straight.

Then I got audited by the IRS.



Worked 322 days out of 365 that year.

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See that shit's real. If you hate your job / are doing the same 5 second task over and over in a factory. No shit people are going to kill themselves.


The IRS audit was the real salt in the wounds.
Posted 3/15/15
Japan may have this society where people are expected to work harder than the rest of the world (and the rest of the world expects them to do it) , but it's difficult to separate fact from fiction in what I've read. Even if it was not universally the case the idea is put into their minds at a young age. In other countries jobs where the only benefit is the overtime are common, esp in the US. It doesn't surprise me, though, this article.
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The problem is also not only in work hours, also in the theory of excellence ( W. Edwards Deming) strongly found and stated in Japan Labor force, people can go straight 330 days of 365, yet imagine a pressure that every singe work have to be excellent. I can imagine why the Japanese media use happiness as a sole marketing maneuver.
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That has been pretty common in Japan. Despite what we see in anime and shows and whatnot, their society is very strict in many aspects. It is nothing like what we have here in the US.

1. You're supposed to value your honor and your face. Therefore, you do your best in whatever you are doing, whether you're a student, a professional, a salaryman, etc. This is why Japan has such high respect for its esteemed masters. Here in the US, people just see a bit of food or a piece of steel. They don't delve deep into history and every other product looks the same. If you fail, you might as well not be alive. The pressure is tremendous.

2. Because everyone is trying so hard, competition is also intense. People are immersed on their work. So there are fewer and fewer romantic relationships and meaningful social relationships. This leads to more stress. Those who don't succeed in the rigorous society become outcasts and rejects, who form their own little world. There's a stark difference between rejects and the successful. There's almost no mixing of the type we have in the US.

I don't foresee the system changing dramatically anytime too soon. Sure, there are downsides, but this is the reason that Japan is so famous and praised all around the world. Their products are exquisite and always of the highest quality. Their workmanship is perfect down to the finest details. I think the best runner-up would probably be Germany (and only when it comes to cars/electronics). As long as people love Japanese products, the Japanese will continue to create them at the same or at higher levels of quality. If ever there was a nation full of people taking their work seriously, living their work, it would be Japan.
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So, basically they're too competitive and need to lighten up? Damn.
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