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Police are public servants, so I think it's fine to record video of them if they are not doing their job.


What do you mean by "if they are not doing their job"? Do you mean off duty, failing in their responsibilities, something else?


Fun fact: police are not responsible for your safety.


It would be impractical to hold police responsible for the protection of people around them given the constraints of time, manpower, and resources.
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Posted 3/16/15
Either have all officers wear video recording and have in the car, or let civilians record. One or the other.
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I personally don't enjoy being recorded very much, even if I can't really explain why.
But from a less personal standpoint, making recording police officers illegal could create problems down the road.
For example, it could open up censorship of recordings that take place automatically and happen to have recorded a police officer.
You would also need to create an exception for the police to be able to record themselves, because if they have a camera on the front of their car, they're taking a recording of a police officer.
security footage in gas stations could quickly take footage of a police officer, so evidence taken by one could be illegally taken, even if the footage shows the entirety of a crime being committed. I'm not sure if that would then allow the footage to be used in court or not.

More data is better. With more data, you could prevent crimes and enforce laws easier, including those perpetrated by state officials and police officers. We're all people, and we're all capable of mistakes and poor judgement. If everybody has access to data, then we can capture all of the good with all of the bad and make informed decisions about who should be doing what and why. On that principal, that information should be more free and processes should be transparent, then taking recordings of police officers should be legal, and the officers themselves should take recordings of all proceedings.

Loss of privacy is creepy though. It'll happen, but it's creepy.
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BlueOni wrote:


AirMarshall wrote:

Police are public servants, so I think it's fine to record video of them if they are not doing their job.


What do you mean by "if they are not doing their job"? Do you mean off duty, failing in their responsibilities, something else?


Fun fact: police are not responsible for your safety.


It would be impractical to hold police responsible for the protection of people around them given the constraints of time, manpower, and resources.


I totally agree with you that it would require too much resources to protect everyone. That's why there's martial arts schools, mace, tasers to take your safety into your own hands without relying on the PD, etc. etc. Police are responders just like fire department.

And I meant if someone pulled the police brutality card the police department would see both sides of the coin, for as far as the filming goes.
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Saying yes pretty much goes against the First Amendment right that we have.

That contradiction though. Funny thing is, I happen to be taking a US History class right now and one of my online discussions we had to write up was Eugene V. Debs and his speech to the Jury before we was prosecuted under the Espionage Act. One of the things he brings up is his situation being compared to those people in war-time America.


“The war of 1812 was opposed and condemned by some of the most influential citizens; the Mexican War was vehemently opposed and bitterly denounced, even after the war had been declared and was in progress, by Abraham Lincoln, Charles Sumner, Daniel Webster. . . . They were not indicted; they were not charged with treason. . . .”

-Eugene V. Debs (1918)


As we all know, America is fundamentally founded by the principles of freedom and since he was charged for treason under Espionage Act for his Anti-War speech, it shows up much America contradicts its professed values to it's actually conduct.

So back to the actual topic.
You're asking me should we make part of the First Amendment right illegal? I don't know. I think the answer seems pretty obvious here.
Posted 3/17/15
Yes, totally. I'd become a policeman straight away. I'm kinda shy in front of cameras.
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I think recording of Police should be allowed and has it's merits but they need clearer rules on the subject. All Police themselves should have to carry recording devices on them or in the car so they can't lie about things and people should be allowed to record things when Police are doing wrong as evidence.

However i think they need to clamp down on people baiting Police and then recording them for youtube like these people who go out carrying 10 guns with body armor on looking like the Terminator just so somebody calls the Police and they can record themselves being a smart ass reminding the Police that technically they are doing nothing illegal and the public being alarmed is their own problem. Or this one video i saw of a guy recording a Cop pulling them over off duty so his Law Student girlfriend can "school" the cop on the law but he admits in the description to flipping the cop off and baiting him to go after them.

Recording is a right but it doesn't give you the right to behave like a jackass and abuse those rights.
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Posted 3/17/15
Absolutely not. The police should be mandated to wear cameras on their person as well as having cameras mounted on/in their vehicles.
There is no good reason to not allow people to record cops, other than enabling corrupt cops.
Posted 3/17/15
I think so. A video recording by a bystander is unreliable in my opinion. It has the bias of being recorded only when things escalate.

I think what they should do is implement mandatory uniform cameras and car cameras to be turned on and used at all times and should be reviewed should complaints / charges be filed against an officer. Surprise reviews should also be conducted to make sure that officers are not abusing their authority.

That's just what I think.
Posted 3/17/15
If it wasn't obvious.
Solution: Both the police and civilian allowed to record.
This way, we can render the camera out of focus.
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As long as it's not interfearing with their work...
Posted 3/17/15
recording me should be illegal
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NO. I am using my camera in the public, so there are no privacy here. Police or not. Granted I am not obstructing them.
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According to what I googled, no one is going to prison if this bill passes - which it did not yet.

It would be a "Class B Misdemeanor" - which under Texas's laws, is punishable by:

up to 180 days in jail
a fine of up to $2,000, or
both.

If it goes that far.

If passed, it would add to an existing bill to not interfere with police officers:

"The bill, HB 2918, adds to the definition of what constitutes “interfering” with an officer’s duties, and would make it a Class B Misdemeanor to film, record, photograph, or document the officer within 25 feet while that officer is performing his official duties. That distance is extended to 100 feet if the person is carrying a concealed handgun. There is an exception for news media, but the current language of the bill does not include bloggers, independent journalists, or private citizens, and it is not clear whether online media outlets would be included in the exception either."

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/03/13/texas-rep-villalba-files-bill-that-criminalizes-bloggers-citizens-filming-cops/ - first article I found when googling if anyone is intersted.

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