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Post Reply How old should a child be when they are allowed to change genders if they want?
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Posted 3/17/15
Out of school at 18. The teenage mind still malleable at that period, out of school because can cause trouble in general. In my opinion...
Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15

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Shishiku wrote:

Biologically speaking, a child is between toddler and puberty. ANYONE who can present an argument for as to why a child, who has not even started bleeding, or noticed that semen comes out the wang when yanked on please feel free to inbox me.

With that said. No. Duh. No need to even discuss such a stupid idea.

Now if we alter your wording to How old should a person be to change gender? - 18, and id grant 17 if they had emancipation papers from a court.


I would endeavor to educate myself on what gender is first before acting like I know what I'm talking about, if I were you.

Then again, half the people on this thread seem to be on the same boat. OP included, of course.


Too late to swim against the tide so no dwelling on definition as it's obvious what OP is on about.

Apart from his attitude, he does have a point. It's quite likely the child as they grow older might change their mind and understand what exactly it is that the are after.

But Shukuzen might have been thinking that it would be less painful (maybe) and once they start taking the hormone pills they can look more like this sex than the other, focusing on result.

Shishiku: what you did wrote does in no way argue against what Shukuzen wrote. It can lead from one to the other.
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Posted 3/17/15
In addition to the needing time to be sure, surgery puts a lot of stress in the body. I am not sure how much children understand about the effects the operations involved.

If the child is certain, parental consent should be the main issue. Age 18 should probably be the age of consent, but no younger than 16.
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I'll simply say that I do not know. I'm not going to try and set an age for when a transgender child should transition. However I would be hesitant on if my 5 year old son came to me and said he wants to be/ is a girl and vice versa. How would I exactly know that it's just not a phase? If I allowed my kid to transition, but then sometime later they want to go back, what do I do? If anything I would make sure it's what they want and won't regret it later in life. If they hesitate with the answer I won't allow them to transition at first, but then I'll ask again sometime later if it's something they truly want. I don't think age is a factor and just want to be sure it's what they truly want. Whatever their choice I would still love and support my kid.
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18 and when they have the financial resources to pay for the mutilation of their bodies to live the delusion of changed genders on their own.

Suicide is not caused by the "suppression" of "identity" but the issues causing the "identity" ...even the misguided "support" of those psychological issues.


As someone who had been suicidal until three or four years ago, let me just say that you are COMPLETELY WRONG.
Posted 3/17/15
I don't know about other countries but i don't even think a kid with a parents permission could even get the hormones, let alone the surgery. Not to mention the hassle that some kids go through in school just being normal but yet imagine the stuff that would happen if it were allowed.

I know a person usually has to take hormones and live as the opposite gender for a certain amount of time before they can even be considered for the operation in itself. I can't see trying to go through school while on hormones and acting and dressing like the opposite sex.
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Neurologically, the brain doesn't finish developing until late 20s to early 30s (varies by individual), and the last part of the brain to fully form is the part associated with sound judgment. In other words, if you're sure of the decision by the time you're 33, I say go for it. Realistically, I wouldn't trust the judgment of anyone under 25.
Posted 3/17/15

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What if a 5 year-old says he or she is a cat or other animal? Or is that completely different? Where are the lines drawn? Should they wait until they are teenagers or adults?


The bold part is key and makes it alright. If the child is not 'allowed'' to behave how they like, the reason should then be that the parents believe they will be treated badly by other people because of it and they'll get ideas or hate what they are.

I believe they might be okay just being what sex they are and behave differently to typical behavior associated with said sex.

Quite likely for someone to want to become another sex because of intolerance towards their behavior which doesn't "agree" with their sex.

There is nowardays pressure on companies to stop making toys specific for certain sex. I never had an toys growing up so all the children see is not the same as what I saw. I wore more or less what my siblings wore and our house never had colors apart from dark or grey. Didn't watch TV and didn't see either parent unless they were looking over our work. We were mostly home schooled in the earliest years and there were tutors who came around.
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I don't think sex change Is a good idea at all. Work with what ya got. Even if you're not happy with it. You can't say a correct age for one to decide when the right time is. No matter what age you are people always make poor decisions. Sex change COULD turn out to be a bad decision. But once it's done. It's done.
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deer wrote:


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18/legal adult age. However I really don't believe in transgender I think it's a phenomena having to do with psychosis, thus it may feel really real but the truth is it's not, I think doctors should look deeper into the issue, instead of enabling the patient.

"I personally refuse to believe in a widely recognized phenomenon, and if actual professional doctors don't agree with me I think THEY should be the ones to look into it deeper"

Solid logic there


what I mean is the doctors have to look deeper in to the specific patient issue. The whole transgender issue can possibly be a subcategory of an existing issue thus changing sex won't help.

and it's not "widely recognized" it maybe more apparent in the States but that can be due to reporting.

furthermore this forum is about what age should a person undergo a sex change to compensate for being "transgender" I've stated my opinion

According to the DSM-V "transgender identity is now grouped under Dysphoria, specifically Gender Dysphoria, this fact alone suggest it's nothing more than a spectrum with in a disorder thus the exaggerated statement of "I feel like a ___ in a ___" is still regarded as irrational thinking thus the listing.

DSM-V is Widely Available in your local book store.


As a psychology student who does research and is aiming for their doctorates (thus I have way more experience in this field than you are), just because the DSM V treats transgender identity as a paraphilia doesn't mean you should treat it as such nor does it mean it's accurate -- it is always subjected to change and homosexuality was considered a mental disorder up until 1974... Honestly if you'd bother to do more research you would know that being transgender is biological and honestly it's not that hard to read up on it. I think your ignorant and transphobic mindset is really driving you the other direction and I sincerely hope you never have kids because if they are transgender then it'll be another tragic case of a child committing suicide because their parents (you) are suppressing their identity. Disgusted disgusted disgusted



@ deer so much hate from some one who's just 20 . . . "I am was a psychology student" that means I am done school and I have more rights to talk about it than you do. (great logic btw) I gave a answer of 18 for decision to make sex change what is it that you want? also how do you know I am not transgender? I really don't care how some one wants to change their body thus I answered with 18 as the age i feel is correct.
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So of all this bullshit, we got two actual transgender people to comment, and absolutely nobody paid attention to their opinions....


magicreaver wrote:

This is a very complicated issue because everyone is different. I am a mtf transgender woman, but I am not typical. Most trans-women will tell you they were always this way, even as a child. I was not. I did tend to identify with the strong heroines over the heroes but I always preferred male toys and sports (even though I had no athletic ability).

I think Serif is right in a way. being a girl/boy is very different then being a woman/man. I never felt wrong being a boy, it wasn't till a ways into puberty when I became a man that things were off. While I wish I could undo the effects of puberty, I think knowing what you are is important to.

Just liking girly things doesn't make you a girl. If a boy wants to embrace his feminine side and dress/act like a girl I say let him at home, but in public he is still a boy. Don't prevent him from exploring who he is, but don't let him forget what he was born as either. They are both a part of him and until he is old enough to have fully explored and understand it he should be forced to accept both.

I think 18 is a good age to allow medical treatment. I think you can begin talking about treatment as early as early teens, when you can start to understand what you are doing, maybe even start your therapy; but I think hormones and surgeries need to wait till 18.

I first started thinking about it around early 20s but didn't begin transitioning until early 30s. Waiting sucks but you need to be sure.


(thanks for the shout out BTW...)


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I was 10 when I started crossdressing. By the time I was 12 I would dress completely like a girl sometimes. Not just throwing a skirt on but makeup and everything to show girl. I loved playing barbies with my cousin and enjoyed a lot of things that only girls were supposed to like. Legally and genetically I am defined as a man and I am not too bothered by it. I am a MTF transsexual and if someone realises what I am underneath I am okay with it. I'm not trying to make society define a dog as a cat so to say. I would have loved to transition when I was a child before I hit puberty because I would've had a relatively normal female puberty but instead I have spent thousands of dollars to hide what male puberty has done to me. What saddens me is growing up all the things I wanted to do that girls are expected to do but couldn't. I just want to show interest in what I like and be honest about my interests. If I was born a girl society would have seen it as normal but since I was born a boy I was told I was wrong by adults and harassed at times by people who put a lot of emphasis on gender roles.


So.. I would say from the people who went through it, (and admittedly it's a very poor sample size), we can at least assume younger than when puberty hits is probably not a good idea, and the ages probably should be in the double digits? (I stand by my rationale on the first page, but that's neither here nor there). We can also say that it's not until puberty that this issue seems to crop up.
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Any age before their bodies start to properly develop, I suppose. Aslong as they actually know what they're about to do and are fully committed.


so you think a 9 year old would have a clue what they were doing? Are you joking or just lacking enough brain cells to see the contradiction of your own statement as well as the overall stupidity of it as well.

How many fucking kids have you met that seriously contemplated their gender identity? Out of those, how many do you think could even explain basic anatomy of a male vs female?


That's adorable.

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Posted 3/17/15
18 years old is my vote. At least 18 years old.
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My opinion is that you should be allowed to change genders after 18. After changing genders, you must make it know that you have changed genders as part of the agreement when you go through with the surgery.
Posted 3/17/15
Shishiku going after Shukuzen with such venom, my oh my... and Deer getting bashed for being passionate when the others are just as disrespectful as her, such hypocrisy. I don't think Deer is an asshoie for having a strong opinion, nor do I believe Shukuzen is a dumbass for just voicing his opinion and YOU don't like it. I say everyone needs to chill out and let people have their differences of opinion.

But, I cannot help but think of the stereotype of the transphobic man whose afraid he's going to sleep with a trannie, and I start to think Deer's right, .. it suggests either its a level of ignorance to say its absolutely less irrevesible to not transition, allowing puberty to destroy that person's live and them possibly committing suicide, or wanton apathy because the matter does not directly concern your livelihood. And just because 3 transpeople all of a sudden they speak for all transpeople? How thick can you be?

The reason to wait before puberty hits is because when that happens and your trans you're fucked, simple math. I don't know about surgery, but hormonally, its not to early to begin at 9. Try to be respectful of one another differing opinion like mature adults, this level of hostility is uncalled for.~
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