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I have a theory....which might explain why paranormal/supernatural things happen to some people but not to others. This is the Barrier Theory.

The fundamental basis of the BT is belief, or faith. Faith is the fuel on which the supernatural runs, and without it one can't perceive such a world. Basically, surrounding everybody is a wall of sorts which filters out the normal from the abnormal. This protects us from perceiving potentially damaging things that exist right outside of our reality. This barrier is one of skepticism or disbelief. However, when one starts to belief in those things as if they were to actually exist, this barrier starts to crack. Through these cracks, we are able to perceive that which is supernatural in nature. This is how those who believe in such things are able to perceive them, where as those who don't can't.

Of course, I have some actual stories. One, from a part time job. Two girls who work their with me tell me how it's haunted, and even one day they threw salt in the air - as such things are supposed to fend off ghosts - and it stopped in mid air and bounced off like it had hit a wall. Except, in the middle of the air with nothing visible there. I even met a genuine Pagan witch there who acted possessed on one occasion. Now that was peculiar. Right away, my neck hair stood on edge, a chill ran down my body, and it felt like a stone was resting in my stomach. That was no fun.

Second, a friend of mine who is Japanese used to live in a house with some of his friends. They started telling him it was haunted, so when he was visiting Japan he just decided to whimsically buy a charm and put it around his door handle when he got back. The next day, the mirror on his door was crooked and tons of tiny finger prints like a little child's were on it. No child was at that house, however. The next few nights, he suffered from sleep paralysis and finally had an out of body experience, looking down at his own body sleeping as if he was on the ceiling. His friend who was in the room next to him, who doesn't take this stuff lightly, told him how he was playing some games and swore he heard a little girl crying where his room was. I explained to him that perhaps his friends telling him about the ghost planted seeds of belief in him, allowing him to perceive what he previously couldn't.

As for me? Nope. I've not seen anything supernatural at my part time job, despite my coworkers have been. Which makes sense. I'm cynical and skeptical.

So, what do you think of my little theory I thought of for fun?
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Actually this "theory" may have some basis in reality. I've read of cases where people who think they are sick actually exhibit symptoms of the disease which they believe to be the cause of said symptoms. Its called the "nocebo effect", basically its the negative inverse of the placebo effect.
Edit: Do you suppose that supernatural phenomena exist before hand and it is through skepticism that we fail to perceive it?
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I think the idea isn't that original, and I heard something similar in regards to the lovecraftian universe.

On the other hand, I cannot bring myself to enter churches and feel incredible discomfort in them.
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Droneshogun wrote:

Actually this "theory" may have some basis in reality. I've read of cases where people who think they are sick actually exhibit symptoms of the disease which they believe to be the cause of said symptoms. Its called the "nocebo effect", basically its the negative inverse of the placebo effect.
Edit: Do you suppose that supernatural phenomena exist before hand and it is through skepticism that we fail to perceive it?


Who knows? All I know is I'm a skeptic, and yet when faced with certain things....even my instincts flare up. Well, I have pretty good instincts, so that's to be expected.
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You're pretty damn close. Closer than anybody I've ever seen who hasn't actually encountered the supernatural.

Its true that haunted houses (among other structures) are genuine, but you're theory on believing in something makes you perceive it is slightly incorrect. I've actually had encounters that lead me to believe that it isn't the belief that reveals them. Its simply their whim to reveal themselves to you.

Its late and I'm tired, but if you want to know my theories based on personal experience, then let me know. I may check back tomorrow (enjoying the GTA5 Heists so much despite server issues).
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serifsansserif wrote:

I think the idea isn't that original, and I heard something similar in regards to the lovecraftian universe.

On the other hand, I cannot bring myself to enter churches and feel incredible discomfort in them.


Oh, it isn't original? I see, I see. That makes me soooo sad.


Black_Knight_Weiss wrote:

You're pretty damn close. Closer than anybody I've ever seen who hasn't actually encountered the supernatural.

Its true that haunted houses (among other structures) are genuine, but you're theory on believing in something makes you perceive it is slightly incorrect. I've actually had encounters that lead me to believe that it isn't the belief that reveals them. Its simply their whim to reveal themselves to you.

Its late and I'm tired, but if you want to know my theories based on personal experience, then let me know. I may check back tomorrow (enjoying the GTA5 Heists so much despite server issues).


I'll probably pass. For a man to live comfortably, he must be aware of his limits.

I'm not the kind of guy who can deal with such things and continue as I am.
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I like this sort of stuff even though I don't believe it. It's pretty interesting. That theory might explain why children seem to experience more supernatural phenomenon while adults generally experience much fewer. Of course, I'm more convinced that it is sort of an offshoot of the known theory that people are more likely to see what they expect to see.


Even though I've become agnostic and am increasingly moving away from religion (I started going to church when I was 6 and quit when I was around 20), I've always been intrigued by supernatural things and have always been an avid horror fan.

I grew up listening to my grandma's strange tales and she is very superstitious. I've been interested in Taoism and Onmyodo since I was very young, even now, even though I don't actually believe charms and curses will actually work. I can properly use a calligraphy brush to make ofuda. I've read about all kinds of demons and spirits and how to deal with them. Feng shui is awesome. I dabbled with spells and other stuff during late elementary school. I remember foolishly attempting to do psychic stuff and was left with a headache that would not go away for nearly a week. My necklace blackened for some inexplicable reason (it was the metal, not exterior grime) and people who sat around me in class all got sick and took days off. It probably has nothing to do with my strange experiments but it was fun.

I totally understand when people say these things are stupid and fake, but that doesn't make them any less intriguing for some reason.

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ive had brushes with teh supernatural and wish i never had. i wasnt the only one, but the one of the others told me the other day, 'we all just imagined it.'
funny thing was, we all were staring at the exact same spot. 5 of us.
don't want to remember it. the kicker is i didnt realize it till years later, i though i was really super tired.
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There are a few famous ghost pictures that are from the past, so you don't have to necessarily believe it in. If it's real it'll be there.
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serifsansserif wrote:

I think the idea isn't that original, and I heard something similar in regards to the lovecraftian universe.

On the other hand, I cannot bring myself to enter churches and feel incredible discomfort in them.


You mean if we all believe in Cthulhu, he'll become real? HELL YEAH!

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You mean if we all believe in Cthulhu, he'll become real? HELL YEAH!


That's not it. It's not belief makes it real. Belief allows you to perceive it. According to this theory, it does exist. You just can't observe it without the belief it exists.
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PhantomGundam wrote:

You mean if we all believe in Cthulhu, he'll become real? HELL YEAH!


That's not it. It's not belief makes it real. Belief allows you to perceive it. According to this theory, it does exist. You just can't observe it without the belief it exists.


So in other words, since Cthulhu obviously exists already, I'll be able to feel his presence as long as I believe? Awesome!
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So in other words, since Cthulhu obviously exists already, I'll be able to feel his presence as long as I believe? Awesome!


Exactly.
Posted 3/17/15


So correct me if I'm wrong but are you suggesting this scenario-


If two people saw a ghost and one was able to see the ghost while the other could not the reason the other person could not see the paranormal is because they do not "believe" in the paranormal. Believing that the paranormal can only be obtained through a higher level of consciousness?

My reply would be..

I'll suggest, we may not be able to visualize or comprehend that the paranormal is present because we are slow to accept it. Just like when a psychologist might ask what you perceive what the ink blot looks like to you. You then reply with what you believe the ink blot is to you and you reply with "dog, cat, and rabbit", but you cannot think of any other things the blot can be. That may be the "barrier" you are talking about. A dog, cat, rabbit, and what else? Unless asked again "What else do you see?". Then you take a moment and try to shift your imagination. Only then can you think of something else it could be "Oh! A bird!". You took longer to see a different visual. Same thing with looking at art and often the more creative thinkers can come up with different views faster then others. People often have such confidence and belief in their own answers that they cannot accept a different answer and may be slow to believe it to be true. An ink blot to one person can be several things, while the other it may only be few (within the same timely fashion). The fact that a person may not be able to visualize or comprehend the paranormal as quickly as others may be a possibility and because of their slow comprehension that anything that defies the law of physics could be there is gone before they even have the time to see it.
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This is the discovery of the century.
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