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isn't this similar to the santa claus theory? if you believe in santa claus he becomes real... etc.

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So it's psychological
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I think this is partially true, weird "coincidences" happen to me all the time. When these things happen ALL THE FUCKING TIME it gets pretty much impossible to believe there isn't such thing as supernatural occurrences. For me it would take more faith at this point to be an atheist.
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the problem with tying such phenomena to belief is that belief is inherently biasing, making the proposition somewhat susceptible to the perception problem.

it will always be possible that such experiences are entirely in that persons own perception, just like we can never be entirely sure about any memory or anything we have seen, only difference being degree as modified by its self referential nature.

as for multiple people experiencing the same phenomena, LSD and several other psychedelics will do that to you too, we as people are extremely suggestive, more so than any of us care to realize i suspect, sharing exact visuals isn't all that uncommon.
the simple fact that ghost stories are told can be enough for a mass shared experience.
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Phersu wrote:

I have a theory....which might explain why paranormal/supernatural things happen to some people but not to others. This is the Barrier Theory.

The fundamental basis of the BT is belief, or faith. Faith is the fuel on which the supernatural runs, and without it one can't perceive such a world. Basically, surrounding everybody is a wall of sorts which filters out the normal from the abnormal. This protects us from perceiving potentially damaging things that exist right outside of our reality. This barrier is one of skepticism or disbelief. However, when one starts to belief in those things as if they were to actually exist, this barrier starts to crack. Through these cracks, we are able to perceive that which is supernatural in nature. This is how those who believe in such things are able to perceive them, where as those who don't can't.

Of course, I have some actual stories. One, from a part time job. Two girls who work their with me tell me how it's haunted, and even one day they threw salt in the air - as such things are supposed to fend off ghosts - and it stopped in mid air and bounced off like it had hit a wall. Except, in the middle of the air with nothing visible there. I even met a genuine Pagan witch there who acted possessed on one occasion. Now that was peculiar. Right away, my neck hair stood on edge, a chill ran down my body, and it felt like a stone was resting in my stomach. That was no fun.

Second, a friend of mine who is Japanese used to live in a house with some of his friends. They started telling him it was haunted, so when he was visiting Japan he just decided to whimsically buy a charm and put it around his door handle when he got back. The next day, the mirror on his door was crooked and tons of tiny finger prints like a little child's were on it. No child was at that house, however. The next few nights, he suffered from sleep paralysis and finally had an out of body experience, looking down at his own body sleeping as if he was on the ceiling. His friend who was in the room next to him, who doesn't take this stuff lightly, told him how he was playing some games and swore he heard a little girl crying where his room was. I explained to him that perhaps his friends telling him about the ghost planted seeds of belief in him, allowing him to perceive what he previously couldn't.

As for me? Nope. I've not seen anything supernatural at my part time job, despite my coworkers have been. Which makes sense. I'm cynical and skeptical.

So, what do you think of my little theory I thought of for fun?


Okay holes in the theory.

Faith is not facts and is not used as evidence when submitting theories.

People are more likely to fake supernatural events it is easy you use stage magic. The pagan that was possessed was a fake, your body reaction was normal for seeing something you thought might be real. But they were faking it, happens all the time it is easy to fool someone that doesn't know what to expect.

Human like sounds especially crying and such. There is a cat which can sound like a child, more than likely out doors. Finger prints sounds like the neighbor kid having fun or they were adult finger prints which can look child like because they don't show up well in normal light and you need to actually dust for them to confirm adult or child. Mirror not being straight door getting slammed at some point and he didn't notice.

Now if you can prove anything with your theory I strongly recommend you contact James Randi and show him the proof you get a million dollars. But remember faith isn't proof, and all of the normal paranormal stuff is faked. No really it is faked 100% of it because once you sit them in a box where they don't have access to their tools to fake it their powers go away.

The simplest solution is normally the right one when dealing with the world yes this means there is no supernatural world, but hey thats life. We created these things to deal with a lack of understanding as to how the world works we shed these ideas as we learn how the world works. Doesn't make the world less interesting just means you have to find the wonder in it without the supernatural.

A link to the Amazing Randi's site.
http://web.randi.org/

A link to the challenge for the million dollars.
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
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I wish supernatural stuff was real. I wanna shoot ghosts with iron bullets and send demons back to hell...
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.....Riiiight. Did you not read the entire post? For one, this theory of mine is purely for fun. So calm yer man-nipples. Second, I expressly stated that I myself am a cynic and a skeptic, and by extension don't actually believe in the supernatural myself.

Maybe try to post in a way that doesn't seem like an attack? It's suuuuper easy.
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Like others say, it's sorta common sense. Like the human mind, if you keep on thinking you're depressed, eventually.. you will get depressed.
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Phersu wrote:




.....Riiiight. Did you not read the entire post? For one, this theory of mine is purely for fun. So calm yer man-nipples. Second, I expressly stated that I myself am a cynic and a skeptic, and by extension don't actually believe in the supernatural myself.

Maybe try to post in a way that doesn't seem like an attack? It's suuuuper easy.


It is fine and all that you don't believe it but the number of yahoo's over the years I have heard repeat similar stuff is more than I care to count. I do apologize I did come down a bit hard but folks do tend to latch on to things if they think it sounds good and real, sigh just getting old and grumpy is all.
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Could you reply to mine? I don't know if you didn't see it or not.

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So correct me if I'm wrong but are you suggesting this scenario-

If two people saw a ghost and one was able to see the ghost while the other could not the reason the other person could not see the paranormal is because they do not "believe" in the paranormal. Believing that the paranormal can only be obtained through a higher level of consciousness?

My reply would be..

I'll suggest, we may not be able to visualize or comprehend that the paranormal is present because we are slow to accept it. Just like when a psychologist might ask what you perceive what the ink blot looks like to you. You then reply with what you believe the ink blot is to you and you reply with "dog, cat, and rabbit", but you cannot think of any other things the blot can be. That may be the "barrier" you are talking about. A dog, cat, rabbit, and what else? Unless asked again "What else do you see?". Then you take a moment and try to shift your imagination. Only then can you think of something else it could be "Oh! A bird!". You took longer to see a different visual. Same thing with looking at art and often the more creative thinkers can come up with different views faster then others. People often have such confidence and belief in their own answers that they cannot accept a different answer and may be slow to believe it to be true. An ink blot to one person can be several things, while the other it may only be few (within the same timely fashion). The fact that a person may not be able to visualize or comprehend the paranormal as quickly as others may be a possibility and because of their slow comprehension that anything that defies the law of physics could be there is gone before they even have the time to see it.


I wouldn't say it's a higher level of consciousness. It's not really an upward or downward shift, it's more lateral. And it's not slow to visualize, it's more like the inability to visualize because of a lack of a belief. It's, in a way, a shield that would protect them from things outside of the norm. Think of it as a defense mechanism. Because the majority of us can't handle the supernatural, we block it out.
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Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15

Phersu wrote:

I have a theory....which might explain why paranormal/supernatural things happen to some people but not to others. This is the Barrier Theory.

The fundamental basis of the BT is belief, or faith. Faith is the fuel on which the supernatural runs, and without it one can't perceive such a world. Basically, surrounding everybody is a wall of sorts which filters out the normal from the abnormal. This protects us from perceiving potentially damaging things that exist right outside of our reality. This barrier is one of skepticism or disbelief. However, when one starts to belief in those things as if they were to actually exist, this barrier starts to crack. Through these cracks, we are able to perceive that which is supernatural in nature. This is how those who believe in such things are able to perceive them, where as those who don't can't.

Of course, I have some actual stories. One, from a part time job. Two girls who work their with me tell me how it's haunted, and even one day they threw salt in the air - as such things are supposed to fend off ghosts - and it stopped in mid air and bounced off like it had hit a wall. Except, in the middle of the air with nothing visible there. I even met a genuine Pagan witch there who acted possessed on one occasion. Now that was peculiar. Right away, my neck hair stood on edge, a chill ran down my body, and it felt like a stone was resting in my stomach. That was no fun.

Second, a friend of mine who is Japanese used to live in a house with some of his friends. They started telling him it was haunted, so when he was visiting Japan he just decided to whimsically buy a charm and put it around his door handle when he got back. The next day, the mirror on his door was crooked and tons of tiny finger prints like a little child's were on it. No child was at that house, however. The next few nights, he suffered from sleep paralysis and finally had an out of body experience, looking down at his own body sleeping as if he was on the ceiling. His friend who was in the room next to him, who doesn't take this stuff lightly, told him how he was playing some games and swore he heard a little girl crying where his room was. I explained to him that perhaps his friends telling him about the ghost planted seeds of belief in him, allowing him to perceive what he previously couldn't.

As for me? Nope. I've not seen anything supernatural at my part time job, despite my coworkers have been. Which makes sense. I'm cynical and skeptical.

So, what do you think of my little theory I thought of for fun?


It falls directly in opposition to my Human Pattern Recognition theory (HPR).

Humans are extremely good at recognizing patterns, and extremely apt at using this pattern recognition in versatile ways. So while one person is very good at playing video games, another person is very good at getting pigs to play video games.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/01/ethical-livestock-farming-pigs-playing-video-games

I think both skills are very interesting. I like animals, but I don't think I really care about hogs playing video games because hogs make bacon. I don't deny that people can tell you something that has happened to them, but people struggle when HPR is in question.

I've seen things that seem supernatural, they don't make sense. I believe they are notable because they are are a breach of HPR.

The supernatural is like if you took a statistical study seriously, but only cared about the outliers. HPR is integral, but pattern breaks can really screw up a personal viewpoint.

Take your own Pattern Recognition into account and it only gets wilder.
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I don't know why that would affect our perception.
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barrier theory:
non-believers are endowed with a magical barrier that prevents the super-natural from affecting them
sounds awesome
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