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This is probably one of the most disappointing anime I have ever seen. There is almost no relation from the manga to the anime except for character names and some minor details. I'm not an enormous fan of the manga, but the difference is so great they would be better served calling this something else.

If you are interested in the concept of the characters, do yourself a favor and read the manga. The fight scenes are made trivial in the anime whereas they have meaning in the manga. Each character has more motivation to themselves other than killing bad guys or trying to get into the male MC's pants.


1.) The pacing is awful. Everything about the anime is incredibly shallow: the characters are not developed at all and the significance of the fights is entirely lost in needless gore and bloodshed. They don't give you any time to sit down with the characters to understand them. They go from one fight to the next with nothing being resolved. You don't know much about each character from episode to episode other than they can kill things and apparently have no real aversions to watching a human being get killed (despite the male MC never seeing this stuff before).

2.) It's almost like the studio saw how popular Parasyte and Attack on Titan were and decided that if they added excessive gore it would attract more fans to watch the show. All of the gore and violence is unnecessary. I hated Star Trek's red shirt trope. Those guys you see in black suits? They're all going to die. There is no development put into them, and it almost seems like the studio that made the anime thinks that it's edgy and cool that these guys die all the time. I hate needless death. It doesn't progress the plot, it doesn't develop character, or benefit the story at all. It's a transparent way of saying you can't develop decent characters to sacrifice for a story or don't have the metaphorical balls to do.

3.) The ecchi aspect is stupid and inconsistent. In the anime, you apparently experience ecstasy while being killed by these monsters. However, they only show this happening with females. If you're a male (the dude that gets eaten by the car) it's an absolutely awful experience that involves lots of pain and no pleasure. If you're going to have an ecchi plot device, then use it.

4.) The manga is not even in the same ballpark. The manga is more about character development, plot development, and relationship development. The battles are a plot device to further character development. In the anime, it's more about ecchi, needless violence, and how many people in suits we can kill. The battles are so meaningless that you could take them out and still know just as much about the story than you would if you left them in. This makes no sense because the anime seems to place more focus on the battles than they do the character development. Tsundere + bow + ??? = profit?

I don't care when an anime takes liberty with the manga because anime has more constraints than manga have(time restrictions, number of episodes, etc...), but the amount of liberty this studio took with the anime would make an American blush. You could pair these side by side with the name of the anime changed, and no one would notice that they were representing the same story.

In conclusion, this anime is absolute trash. It is not consistent with the manga on any aspect. It seems that the studio wanted to replicate the more violent anime/manga that have become popular recently but were forced to create this anime. Instead of making the story they wanted to make, they are trying to strong arm a popular manga into the story they want to make. Unfortunately, the two are incompatible.


My question is: how do you take a decent romance comedy, and make it into this abomination?
Posted 3/16/15

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This is probably one of the most disappointing anime I have ever seen. There is almost no relation from the manga to the anime except for character names and some minor details. I'm not an enormous fan of the manga, but the difference is so great they would be better served calling this something else.

If you are interested in the concept of the characters, do yourself a favor and read the manga. The fight scenes are made trivial in the anime whereas they have meaning in the manga. Each character has more motivation to themselves other than killing bad guys or trying to get into the male MC's pants.


1.) The pacing is awful. Everything about the anime is incredibly shallow: the characters are not developed at all and the significance of the fights is entirely lost in needless gore and bloodshed. They don't give you any time to sit down with the characters to understand them. They go from one fight to the next with nothing being resolved. You don't know much about each character from episode to episode other than they can kill things and apparently have no real aversions to watching a human being get killed (despite the male MC never seeing this stuff before).

2.) It's almost like the studio saw how popular Parasyte and Attack on Titan were and decided that if they added excessive gore it would attract more fans to watch the show. All of the gore and violence is unnecessary. I hated Star Trek's red shirt trope. Those guys you see in black suits? They're all going to die. There is no development put into them, and it almost seems like the studio that made the anime thinks that it's edgy and cool that these guys die all the time. I hate needless death. It doesn't progress the plot, it doesn't develop character, or benefit the story at all. It's a transparent way of saying you can't develop decent characters to sacrifice for a story or don't have the metaphorical balls to do.

3.) The ecchi aspect is stupid and inconsistent. In the anime, you apparently experience ecstasy while being killed by these monsters. However, they only show this happening with females. If you're a male (the dude that gets eaten by the car) it's an absolutely awful experience that involves lots of pain and no pleasure. If you're going to have an ecchi plot device, then use it.

4.) The manga is not even in the same ballpark. The manga is more about character development, plot development, and relationship development. The battles are a plot device to further character development. In the anime, it's more about ecchi, needless violence, and how many people in suits we can kill. The battles are so meaningless that you could take them out and still know just as much about the story than you would if you left them in. This makes no sense because the anime seems to place more focus on the battles than they do the character development. Tsundere + bow + ??? = profit?

I don't care when an anime takes liberty with the manga because anime has more constraints than manga have(time restrictions, number of episodes, etc...), but the amount of liberty this studio took with the anime would make an American blush. You could pair these side by side with the name of the anime changed, and no one would notice that they were representing the same story.

In conclusion, this anime is absolute trash. It is not consistent with the manga on any aspect. It seems that the studio wanted to replicate the more violent anime/manga that have become popular recently but were forced to create this anime. Instead of making the story they wanted to make, they are trying to strong arm a popular manga into the story they want to make. Unfortunately, the two are incompatible.


My question is: how do you take a decent romance comedy, and make it into this abomination?


No respect for the sour material. If the manga become a hit one day, then there hope a remake will be made.
Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15
Do you know what company own the manga ? Also this rant of yours has made me want to read the manga. I get how you feel but I like the anime. But you are still right about what they did to the anime.
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Posted 3/17/15

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Do you know what company own the manga ? Also this rant of yours has made me want to read the manga. I get how you feel but I like the anime. But you are still right about what they did to the anime.


Its published by Kadokawa, Which is a pretty good pedigree with a lot of manga to anime titles under its belt.

I don't know what happened with the anime though. I haven't read the manga but everyone says the show is a complete departure. But the show's staff are all fairly well known and should know their stuff when adapting a manga. Especially as many of them have done it before and have done it before with other Kadokawa titles.

The show kind of reads like they were told to push it in a certain direction regardless of the source material.
Posted 3/17/15

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KarenAraragi wrote:

Do you know what company own the manga ? Also this rant of yours has made me want to read the manga. I get how you feel but I like the anime. But you are still right about what they did to the anime.


Its published by Kadokawa, Which is a pretty good pedigree with a lot of manga to anime titles under its belt.

I don't know what happened with the anime though. I haven't read the manga but everyone says the show is a complete departure. But the show's staff are all fairly well known and should know their stuff when adapting a manga. Especially as many of them have done it before and have done it before with other Kadokawa titles.

The show kind of reads like they were told to push it in a certain direction regardless of the source material.


That or a new director .
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Do not be surprised when you find that there are people who enjoyed the anime. DO NOT!!!
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KarenAraragi wrote:

That or a new director .


Hmm, could be. Looks like this is only his third series as a director. But its also his third manga adaption and he didn't go nutball with the other two. So its still pretty weird to dovetail what sounds like a harem romcom into blood and gore. Unless he was told too from on high.
Posted 3/17/15

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KarenAraragi wrote:

That or a new director .


Hmm, could be. Looks like this is only his third series as a director. But its also his third manga adaption and he didn't go nutball with the other two. So its still pretty weird to dovetail what sounds like a harem romcom into blood and gore. Unless he was told too from on high.


Maybe he trying do so something new ? Who is the studio doing the anime ?
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KarenAraragi wrote:


runec wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:

That or a new director .


Hmm, could be. Looks like this is only his third series as a director. But its also his third manga adaption and he didn't go nutball with the other two. So its still pretty weird to dovetail what sounds like a harem romcom into blood and gore. Unless he was told too from on high.


Maybe he trying do so something new ? Who is the studio doing the anime ?


ARMS is the studio I think. They have done a number of darker shows ( Elfen Leid, Kite, etc ) but they're perfectly capable of pulling off a romcom too if they want. I wonder if this went into production during the Attack on Titan craze or something and they wanted to jump on board. -.-
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Do not be surprised when you find that there are people who enjoyed the anime. DO NOT!!!


If anyone were to enjoy the anime, they would be significantly better off reading the manga.

When I said the anime is incredibly shallow; I meant it. It isn't a "lost in conversion" sort of thing from going to manga to anime where details need to be cut out. They cut out entire relevant developments. They don't even tell you why female MC 2 wants to get with the male MC. They don't even really discuss his power which they do in the manga.

Not to mention a lot of the anime is bad storytelling. They can't even follow their own plot devices (the whole erotic arousal while dying thing) consistently.


There are entire scenes in the anime that contribute nothing to the plot or story development. Pretty much every death is also meaningless and worthless. Why do I care some guy in a suit dies? Why doesn't the male MC flip out at watching this? Why are we sending worthless guys in suits to fight things they obviously have no experience in attacking/killing?


The anime isn't just a terrible adaptation, it's terrible in general.

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I think that they were pushed to do certain things and make it pointlessly ecchi because apparently thats the only kind of show we like watching...
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*ponders*

I imagine the TV Tropes crowd would refer to the anime as a case of Executive Meddling.
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Honestly I'm tempted to sit down with the manga now and see just how much meddling there really is. Given the reactions of people on the forums who read the manga prior to the show.
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welcome to the new age of anime. where everything is rushed to the point that makes you wonder why it was even made in the first place.
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I watched until the middle of episode 5 when I found it so boring, and when showing the dismemberment of limbs becomes boring, it's really boring, I shut it off. Did not even care how the episode would end. Pointless non-entertaining, not funny ecchi, zero character development, I had had it. Just a terrible mediocre anime.

Dropped.
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