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Posted 3/17/15

mreskimoeqib wrote:

I keep seeing threads like this over and over. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but in my opinion in the history of any form of entertainment there has been very few adaptations i.e. novel to movie, game to movie, manga to anime, etc. etc. that have ever been even semi close to the original work. If you're looking for something to be as good as or surpass the original I think you'll be hard pressed to ever find such a thing. Just my two cents.


I don't think anyone was really expecting an adaptation to be better than the original.


Honestly, if they turned up the gore but actually had a cohesive story or plot I don't think I would be ranting like this. As it is right now even if they were to rename the show as something different from Isuca it wouldn't make it any less terrible.
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I agree with the OP. Haven't read the manga so I cannot comment on the anime adaptation of it. But it is truly terrible.

I will pick on the protagonist Shinichirō Asano mostly here. The thought that crossed my mind after watching him watch the umpteenth person getting brutally slaughtered in front of him was 'he's a sociopath'. He would have to be and a severe one at that. The way he can return to being his normal self, completely unchanged with no sign of worry for well-being himself or anyone else, not a thought or consideration for the dead. He also seems to be terminally stupid. In most harems people don't die, sometimes monsters do and sometimes people fight each other but deaths are rare or nonexistent, so a blase attitude from the main character can be accepted.


But to be fair every person is different. Maybe he sociopath or he more mentally strong than other people. Or he could be immune to dead.


A sociopath wouldn't lose it getting his "back washed" and also would have no qualms with his ecchi situations like the male MC does.
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I'm glad I didn't add it to my queue at the beginning of the season.
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Well, the way they did this anime is more of a parody of the manga with much darker tones and the male from what I could tell after watching 4 episodes was just going to be there for them to power up... He had much more fighting ability in the manga, and none and i mean none of these darker characters even existed from what I read.
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The demands for a show are different than of ones from a manga, If you want to grab peoples attention then you show a lot of ecchi and gore because thats what people want to see As someone who has read the manga and watched the series, I can say Im disappointed, but this was meant to go right to people scrolling by on new winter anime and they see this under certain categories etc, Manga and Anime are never going to be word for word, but some Manga adaptations will be good some will be bad, that's just how it works....
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I dropped after 1st ep. Feel like I made the right choice.
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Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15

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mreskimoeqib wrote:

I keep seeing threads like this over and over. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but in my opinion in the history of any form of entertainment there has been very few adaptations i.e. novel to movie, game to movie, manga to anime, etc. etc. that have ever been even semi close to the original work. If you're looking for something to be as good as or surpass the original I think you'll be hard pressed to ever find such a thing. Just my two cents.


I don't think anyone was really expecting an adaptation to be better than the original.


Honestly, if they turned up the gore but actually had a cohesive story or plot I don't think I would be ranting like this. As it is right now even if they were to rename the show as something different from Isuca it wouldn't make it any less terrible.


Understandably so, I see where you're coming from. I just take the new shows at face value. I've never read the manga for Isuca before but have seen this over and over. I personally don't mind the show as a gore / harem / ecchi show it seems to want to be. Perfect example is the Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches adaptation that will eventually be coming to anime. I'm not looking for it to be every bit as good as the manga but may feel a little disappointed if the anime goes in another direction completely.

In any case, I try my best to separate the two mediums aside from just bare bones theme. Any more than that and it seems I'm always let down. Some shows do great though, the on going Non-Non Biyori manga is still one of my favorites and I really liked the show and am looking forward to the second season. In the same breath, this is a completely different genre though and can maybe get away with certain liberties.

As a few others wrote, I think most of this is to rope in potential new viewers with the gore / sex themes and hopefully get them interested enough to buy the original works and merchandise. This is just a guess based off of watching the same things continually happen but every company likes to sell stuff from what I can tell.

Didn't mean to state the obvious, and no offense was meant. Just throwing out an opinion. ^^
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The demands for a show are different than of ones from a manga, If you want to grab peoples attention then you show a lot of ecchi and gore because thats what people want to see As someone who has read the manga and watched the series, I can say Im disappointed, but this was meant to go right to people scrolling by on new winter anime and they see this under certain categories etc, Manga and Anime are never going to be word for word, but some Manga adaptations will be good some will be bad, that's just how it works....


I agree with you, but it seems that every harem/romcom type anime has turned into this. And it has left me dropping every single one of them from my list... and with that comes very little reason for me to even keep watching anime. I see a clear pattern in all the shows released over the last year or so, and just seems they are wanting to up the ante each time.
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lol

when i watched the first episode,,, i went.... what the hell is this piece of crap .... and dropped it

too bad the production of this anime dont read our comments. The anime production adaptation will make or break the manga , i think this one killed it.
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lol

when i watched the first episode,,, i went.... what the hell is this piece of crap .... and dropped it

too bad the production of this anime dont read our comments. The anime production adaptation will make or break the manga , i think this one killed it.


I agrre with you Anime Production Staff should read what the fans have to say but then you might have people disconnectted like The Publisher / Editor in Shirobarko
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I haven't read the manga, but if what people are saying is true, then I might re-consider reading the manga.

I dropped the anime because :

The characters : Let's see, the generic, bland, no depth, main character who always gets the girls for no apparent reason. He's so boring, I don't know why they keep making these type of characters. Honestly, I hate "self-insert' characters. Lazy writing!

The tsundere. Holy crap, I can't stand this girl. Everything and I mean everything about her has been done to death and nothing original to her character what so ever. For example :
-She's rich.
-She's beautiful.
-She can do everything right.
-She's a top student.
-She's popular.
-She has a secret life in which she's a sudden bad ass.

The cat woman : She's just annoying. I dropped it at episode 4 so I can't criticize her character a whole lot since I don't know anything about her, expect she's a total generic and bland character.
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I haven't read the manga, but if what people are saying is true, then I might re-consider reading the manga.

I dropped the anime because :

The characters : Let's see, the generic, bland, no depth, main character who always gets the girls for no apparent reason. He's so boring, I don't know why they keep making these type of characters. Honestly, I hate "self-insert' characters. Lazy writing!

The tsundere. Holy crap, I can't stand this girl. Everything and I mean everything about her has been done to death and nothing original to her character what so ever. For example :
-She's rich.
-She's beautiful.
-She can do everything right.
-She's a top student.
-She's popular.
-She has a secret life in which she's a sudden bad ass.

The cat woman : She's just annoying. I dropped it at episode 4 so I can't criticize her character a whole lot since I don't know anything about her, expect she's a total generic and bland character.


The manga is not great, but the characters are more fleshed out.

As for the tsundere: she's filthy. She's rich and talented, but she pretty much lives in filth. The male MC in the manga is asked to show up there by the teacher to clean the house as a maid. After he gets the cat, he basically moves in with the tsundere and the teacher.

The male MC has more development into why the tsundere wants him as well as the other characters. He still doesn't get a ton of depth, but they explain his powers more.

The Catgirl is basically fan service and to show the male MC doesn't want all spirits killed.
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Posted 3/18/15

mreskimoeqib wrote:

I keep seeing threads like this over and over. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but in my opinion in the history of any form of entertainment there has been very few adaptations i.e. novel to movie, game to movie, manga to anime, etc. etc. that have ever been even semi close to the original work. If you're looking for something to be as good as or surpass the original I think you'll be hard pressed to ever find such a thing. Just my two cents.


While I agree that this is often the case. And, it is true for Isuca. It is not always true. Your Lie in April is an example of a wonderful and faithful adaptation of a manga to anime.

I think part of the problem is you have to get a combination of people who love the source material and producers/executives above them who are willing to let them do a faithful retelling. Look at the Lord of the Rings movies versus the Hbbit movies. Peter Jackson was given more of a free hand with the LotR movies than the Hobbit movies. He had to extend the Hobbit movies into 3 movies. This meant that he had to add in a lot of stuff.
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While I agree that this is often the case. And, it is true for Isuca. It is not always true. Your Lie in April is an example of a wonderful and faithful adaptation of a manga to anime.

I think part of the problem is you have to get a combination of people who love the source material and producers/executives above them who are willing to let them do a faithful retelling. Look at the Lord of the Rings movies versus the Hbbit movies. Peter Jackson was given more of a free hand with the LotR movies than the Hobbit movies. He had to extend the Hobbit movies into 3 movies. This meant that he had to add in a lot of stuff.

I also have no problem with Isuca, I mean it's not great but it's still entertaining.

I think Your Lie in April was faithful because it was going to end before the anime.

Peter Jackson on other hand isn't true. If I remember correctly everything in the Hobbit movies is what he wanted in the book but couldn't fit it in. It was basically an author's version.
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dracphelan wrote:

While I agree that this is often the case. And, it is true for Isuca. It is not always true. Your Lie in April is an example of a wonderful and faithful adaptation of a manga to anime.

I think part of the problem is you have to get a combination of people who love the source material and producers/executives above them who are willing to let them do a faithful retelling. Look at the Lord of the Rings movies versus the Hbbit movies. Peter Jackson was given more of a free hand with the LotR movies than the Hobbit movies. He had to extend the Hobbit movies into 3 movies. This meant that he had to add in a lot of stuff.

I also have no problem with Isuca, I mean it's not great but it's still entertaining.

I think Your Lie in April was faithful because it was going to end before the anime.

Peter Jackson on other hand isn't true. If I remember correctly everything in the Hobbit movies is what he wanted in the book but couldn't fit it in. It was basically an author's version.


Nope. Some of the stuff was pulled from the Silmarillion (basically everything before coming into the Shire). There was no romantic love interests (Tolkein originally wrote the Hobbit for his children who weren't old enough to be interested in that). Legolas was originally never involved with the story in the Hobbit. There are other things. Peter Jackson originally intended to do 2 movies from the Hobbit. But, the studio executives pressured him into doing 3.
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