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Yuri isn't obscure... it exists as a secondary element in tons of anime. Whereas yaoi is sort of isolated to it's own genre, yuri is a secondary element in anime that's almost too hard to avoid. I have no issue avoiding yaoi, because I simply don't watch any of it... however, if I were bothered by yuri, then it'd be practically impossible to completely avoid it.

However, despite being a gag, fanservice plea, or secondary element in so many anime, in the end, there's still very little actual yuri. I'm pretty much about halfway finished with the whole genre. And I think there are probably less than 20 actual yuri tv shows in existence... unless you count hentai OVA's.

This is strange to me... We know yuri isn't obscure, so many shows like revolutionary girl utena have gained tremendous praise, and it's more marketable to both genders than yaoi is... Not to many guys watch yaoi, but yuri has a good level of popularity amoung both male and female fans. There's a lot more straight female yuri fans than straight male yaoi fans. And appealing to both demographics is important, especially when males make up a bigger chunk of anime fandom. Hell, they make yuri in shonen and shoujo manga/anime

Yet if all these things are true, then why is there barely any shows that actually count a legit yuri? I mean... when a person can easily watch an entire genre, then there's way to little of it.
(again, I'm not talking about shows that focus on subtext/fanservice, we already have an abundance of that)
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Yuri is love, yuri is life.
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Yuri is love, yuri is life.


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Viva la vida
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Well, Yuri and Yaoi tend to be played in for comic relief or fanservice in main stream series. Then you have the distinction between direct yuri and more sort of platonic(?) Yuri. When you get down to straight actual Yuri its just as niche as Yaoi I would think. Though more of it definitely exists in manga form then actually gets adapted into anime.
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runec wrote:

Well, Yuri and Yaoi tend to be played in for comic relief or fanservice in main stream series. Then you have the distinction between direct yuri and more sort of platonic(?) Yuri. When you get down to straight actual Yuri its just as niche as Yaoi I would think. Though more of it definitely exists in manga form then actually gets adapted into anime.


I think actual romantic Yuri is usually referred to as Shoujo Ai.
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runec wrote:

Well, Yuri and Yaoi tend to be played in for comic relief or fanservice in main stream series. Then you have the distinction between direct yuri and more sort of platonic(?) Yuri. When you get down to straight actual Yuri its just as niche as Yaoi I would think. Though more of it definitely exists in manga form then actually gets adapted into anime.


Yea. To be honest, I like platonic, fanservice, and comic relief yuri better, but I'm still shocked at such a small number of actual yuri anime.


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I think actual romantic Yuri is usually referred to as Shoujo Ai.


Shoujo ai is just americanized japanese. In japan, an anime revolving around a lesbian relationship is yuri... sexual or not. Western viewers use the term shoujo ai for non-sexual yuri, but the term actually refers to pedophilia
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Yeah, thats why I skipped the term. >.>
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Yuri and Yaoi are both niche categories of anime.

Its not that there isn't a demand for it, its just that the demand is from a specific group and most of the production companies currently garner their productions to other fan-bases.

There is alot of yuri and yaoi manga however.
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I blame the shitty world we live in where church leaders and politicians feel like homosexuality is some kind of "flaw" that can be fixed by passing laws and holding "intervention" sessions. Even in anime, many potentially good homosexual couples are immediately written off as "close friends" or something like that by the writers because of western ideals in Japanese culture and shit like that. There is also the fact that most shows that depict actual homosexual couples have a lot of fanservice and any interactions between the characters are rather unrealistic and there for the sake of fanservice only.

A few that I like to bring up that actually take a realistic approach to introducing a homosexual couple are Canaan and Candy*Boy. Canaan only gives you subtle hints about Maria's relationship with Canaan, but you get the sense that the two of them mean a lot to one another and will go to great lengths in order to protect or be with the other. Also, friends do not get this close when they are simply having a conversation about cat's cradle:


And the latter, Candy*Boy, takes both incest and homosexuality and builds an entire story about two girls just living life like normal people. They go out on dates from time to time, make fun of each other, bicker like siblings, dealing with school work, one of them even has a job. It's all very normal and the writers did a good job at taking the two big social no-no's and taking a realistic approach to them.
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silversongwriter wrote:


ThisWasATriumph wrote:

I think actual romantic Yuri is usually referred to as Shoujo Ai.


Shoujo ai is just americanized japanese. In japan, an anime revolving around a lesbian relationship is yuri... sexual or not. Western viewers use the term shoujo ai for non-sexual yuri, but the term actually refers to pedophilia


I was just going by the typical tagging convention used on MAL. But the term literally translates to Girl's Love right? Which is what Yuri means. Isn't pedophilia referred to by "lolicon"?
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I blame the shitty world we live in where church leaders and politicians feel like homosexuality is some kind of "flaw" that can be fixed by passing laws and holding "intervention" sessions. Even in anime, many potentially good homosexual couples are immediately written off as "close friends" or something like that by the writers because of western ideals in Japanese culture and shit like that. There is also the fact that most shows that depict actual homosexual couples have a lot of fanservice and any interactions between the characters are rather unrealistic and there for the sake of fanservice only.

A few that I like to bring up that actually take a realistic approach to introducing a homosexual couple are Canaan and Candy*Boy. Canaan only gives you subtle hints about Maria's relationship with Canaan, but you get the sense that the two of them mean a lot to one another and will go to great lengths in order to protect or be with the other. Also, friends do not get this close when they are simply having a conversation about cat's cradle:


And the latter, Candy*Boy, takes both incest and homosexuality and builds an entire story about two girls just living life like normal people. They go out on dates from time to time, make fun of each other, bicker like siblings, dealing with school work, one of them even has a job. It's all very normal and the writers did a good job at taking the two big social no-no's and taking a realistic approach to them.


See... I don't really blame religion, because christianity is such a minority faith in Japan

I'm also not against the concept of people changing their sexuality, but that's another debate for another time. I think what the "issue" is... and I use quotations because it's not too much of an "issue" to me. Innocence is seen as cute in lots of cultures. And Japan promotes young girls to have very close friendships that

So a lot of the super close friends you see are simply an attempt to give a childlike "cuteness" between them. No harm in that... as for fanservice... well, men like lesbians, but the idea of girl being bi, or just really close around other girls is even hotter, because that means she'd still be willing to be with men. So that's part of it to.

I do want more real yuri, but I'm not against subtext, fanservice, and jokes... If anything I prefer subtext. But I like both, and wanna see a good amount of both in ainme
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Its not that there is not a demand for Yuri anime, it’s just that the demand is not strong enough, especially considering that Yuri/Yaoi is as mentioned niche categories of anime. This is in addition to the fact that anime itself is already a pretty niche market IE it’s a niche market within a niche market.
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Attack on Titan is my favorite yuri anime.

... Well, it will be whenever season two comes around and we see more of Ymir and Christa. Wait, what?

But for real, I wish there was more of it but it is kind of a niche market. It's too bad.
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ThisWasATriumph wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


ThisWasATriumph wrote:

I think actual romantic Yuri is usually referred to as Shoujo Ai.


Shoujo ai is just americanized japanese. In japan, an anime revolving around a lesbian relationship is yuri... sexual or not. Western viewers use the term shoujo ai for non-sexual yuri, but the term actually refers to pedophilia


I was just going by the typical tagging convention used on MAL. But the term literally translates to Girl's Love right? Which is what Yuri means. Isn't pedophilia referred to by "lolicon"?


Actually "girl love" and "boy love" are terms used by a lot of pro-pedo activists.



In fact, pedo activists have thier own symbol for "girls love". They sickingly try to make pedophilia seem normal or beautiful by creating an identity for it.
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