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Post Reply Is there very little demand for yuri?
Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15
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I personally prefer more of the subtext myself. I'm quite content with that. As for why there isn't more explicit yuri...i really don't know.

It's kind of odd, if you think about it. Fanservice seems quite popular these days, and I would think you could get far more fanservice out of explicit yuri than you could out of, say, a harem or something. I've always found it odd that explicit yuri (like Sakura Trick, for example) isn't more popular.

I'm personally sort of glad it isn't (since, like I said, I prefer subtext). Though I would love to see more anime dedicated to yuri-centric romantic friendships ~ Marimite being my personal favorite, after all.

Maybe fans just prefer to see romances that they can self-insert into?
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Posted 3/17/15
One question: Is yuri more common in anime that doesn't get translated into English?

There are still a number of shows that do not get simulcast or a North American video release--and only a fraction of those even get fan-sub treatment. And I've heard complaints before, in particular, that Shoujo anime in particular seems less likely to make the jump out of Japan.

So, is it that yuri shows are hardly ever made, or is it that many of the ones that do get made never leave Japan? Or perhaps a bit of both?
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Posted 3/17/15

mnmike wrote:

One question: Is yuri more common in anime that doesn't get translated into English?

There are still a number of shows that do not get simulcast or a North American video release--and only a fraction of those even get fan-sub treatment. And I've heard complaints before, in particular, that Shoujo anime in particular seems less likely to make the jump out of Japan.

So, is it that yuri shows are hardly ever made, or is it that many of the ones that do get made never leave Japan? Or perhaps a bit of both?


I don't watch them dubbed anyway. So I think there's just very little yuri anime. A lot of anime with yuri in it... but not a lot that uses it as the main theme
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Posted 3/17/15
The genre is almost dry, and when launched out the anime tend to rate low and most of the studios know this.
The most they can get is like 3 series per year and 12 episodes each.
Look at Yuri Kuma Arashi rating...
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The genre is almost dry, and when launched out the anime tend to rate low and most of the studios know this.
The most they can get is like 3 series per year and 12 episodes each.
Look at Yuri Kuma Arashi rating...


That's yuri kuma arashi's own fault for relying too much on symbolism and alienating it's viewers
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Posted 3/17/15
I used to hate yuri.
But Yurikuma changed me.
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I used to hate yuri.
But Yurikuma changed me.


ehhh... it's okay. But it's no wonder it has mixed opinions though.

Although, the anime that made me love yuri was Yuru Yuri
Posted 3/17/15
The reason there are so few legit yuri shows is because so many of them have flopped. Basically every yuri that has been sold has flopped minus a couple exceptions. Producing an actual yuri series is probably considered a more financial risk than something else.

Who knows why actual, legit yuri is so unpopular though. There are too many factors that come into play when talking about series. Potential buyers could have thought the romance between the two was boring, they could have not liked the two girls specifically, they could have been annoyed that their preferred partner didn't win and so many other things. Implied yuri/yaoi seems to be the way to go these days, probably because everyone can get a piece of what they want and it's the easy way to satisfy a lot of buyers? Who knows.
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Posted 3/17/15

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The reason there are so few legit yuri shows is because so many of them have flopped. Basically every yuri that has been sold has flopped minus a couple exceptions. Producing an actual yuri series is probably considered a more financial risk than something else.

Who knows why actual, legit yuri is so unpopular though. There are too many factors that come into play when talking about series. Potential buyers could have thought the romance between the two was boring, they could have not liked the two girls specifically, they could have been annoyed that their preferred partner didn't win and so many other things. Implied yuri/yaoi seems to be the way to go these days, probably because everyone can get a piece of what they want and it's the easy way to satisfy a lot of buyers? Who knows.


You're right... and it's not really a bad thing. Ambiguous yuri is just as good if not better most of the time
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Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15
Its funny.
Yuri is so prevalent in so much anime and yet I can't fathom why its not so popular.



Oh, well...
I'll continue my love for Kannazuki no Miko.
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here I was going to say Yuri isn't that common in actuality, and the above go ahead and post the reasons. Yaoi is actually more successful and it depends on its niche fans (typically women who enjoy something they find "indecent", which explains a fair amount as to why Yaoi men rarely behave like the gay men you may know and love...)

There's a lot more to it too. I don't even think the term "Shoujo Ai" is used.. It's just Yuri. I also think I read somewhere a long time ago Yaoi was just Boy's Love or BL, but not Shonen Ai....

I'd need some verification on that..

Also there was an explanation about how in youth, girls having crushes on other girls was kinda acceptable, but good luck finding things on this subject... We're talking ten or so years ago.

Anyhow, don't read too much into Yuri unless it's pretty overtly stated, and just take it as a bit of culture difference. I remember a number opf years back, teenage kids trying to stick their index fingers up another boy's ass was just considered a prank and not something "OMFG!!! GAY!!" so.... yeah.. Unless it seem fairly certain, just roll with it.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if culture is has a lot to do with it. I recently learned that up until Western influence during the 20th century, there was no concept of lesbianism in Japan. There wasn't even a word for it because it was something the general population didn't even consider as being possible. (sidenote: this adds extra poignancy to girls "becoming invisible" in Yuri Kuma Arashi.) With such views being so deeply ingrained, an unconscious bias is most likely still around.

Class S and ambiguous relationships don't really help matters, either. On one hand it's great that there's any sort of non-fanservice romance between women at all, but by not actually taking the leap I feel like they shoot themselves in the foot. If people are used to yuri being purely emotional or purely fanservice/comedic relief, they're not going to try to seek out yuri that realistically depicts lesbians. They may even avoid yuri titles because they want actual romantic love instead of emotional-only or fanservice.

Marketing (or lack thereof) also doesn't help. It seems to hear of yuri titles one either has to explicitly go looking for it or be told about it. Otherwise it seems the only time you see a trailer for a yuri title is if you watch the trailers on a DVD for a show that's already yuri or Class S.

I think the demand for yuri is there (just look at the reaction to the Legend of Korra finale), but multiple factors are set up against it currently. Over time I suspect that there will be more being made, but it's going to take time and require studios and directors to actually take the leap and call a spade a spade. Leaving the relationship between two characters as ambiguous can work, but so often it's used as an excuse to not fully commit.

I'm hoping that Yuri Kuma might help get the ball rolling a bit thanks to Funimation picking it up and dubbing it. Though there's a very good chance that people will miss the harsh critique of how lesbian sexuality is handled and depicted due to the symbolism in it. Taking Ikuhara's work at face value could lead to people thinking everything is literal and think the show condones how lesbianism and yuri is currently treated. Still, it's just nice having a new show that doesn't dance around the issue.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if culture is has a lot to do with it. I recently learned that up until Western influence during the 20th century, there was no concept of lesbianism in Japan. There wasn't even a word for it because it was something the general population didn't even consider as being possible. (sidenote: this adds extra poignancy to girls "becoming invisible" in Yuri Kuma Arashi.) With such views being so deeply ingrained, an unconscious bias is most likely still around.

Class S and ambiguous relationships don't really help matters, either. On one hand it's great that there's any sort of non-fanservice romance between women at all, but by not actually taking the leap I feel like they shoot themselves in the foot. If people are used to yuri being purely emotional or purely fanservice/comedic relief, they're not going to try to seek out yuri that realistically depicts lesbians. They may even avoid yuri titles because they want actual romantic love instead of emotional-only or fanservice.

Marketing (or lack thereof) also doesn't help. It seems to hear of yuri titles one either has to explicitly go looking for it or be told about it. Otherwise it seems the only time you see a trailer for a yuri title is if you watch the trailers on a DVD for a show that's already yuri or Class S.

I think the demand for yuri is there (just look at the reaction to the Legend of Korra finale), but multiple factors are set up against it currently. Over time I suspect that there will be more being made, but it's going to take time and require studios and directors to actually take the leap and call a spade a spade. Leaving the relationship between two characters as ambiguous can work, but so often it's used as an excuse to not fully commit.

I'm hoping that Yuri Kuma might help get the ball rolling a bit thanks to Funimation picking it up and dubbing it. Though there's a very good chance that people will miss the harsh critique of how lesbian sexuality is handled and depicted due to the symbolism in it. Taking Ikuhara's work at face value could lead to people thinking everything is literal and think the show condones how lesbianism and yuri is currently treated. Still, it's just nice having a new show that doesn't dance around the issue.


Yea... I mean. I like Yuri Kuma.. I don't really care about the message or the show. It's just fun analyzing it. It's more fun to think about than to watch... atleast that's for me.

And I'm also not knocking yuri that's subtext... nor anime like Cross Ange, Seikon no Qwaser, or Queen's Blade. Those anime depict lesbianism in a way that appeals to male desire

A lot of times, I'm in the mood for seeing lesbians, but don't feel like watching romance. That's where fanservice comes in.
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Posted 3/17/15
Before you get too down on Japanese culture, though, remember that no one else in the world is doing particularly good when it comes to mass media portrayals of serious lesbian relationships either (with the possible exceptions of French films or low-budget art house movies).

They exist on American or British television, but very sparsely. They are almost absent from big budget Hollywood movies. Bollywood? Not really. Hong Kong cinema? Yeah, right. Scandinavian cinema? Maybe occasionally. Persian or Middle Eastern films? Probably not in our lifetimes.

So even if it is more sparse than it ought to be, at least there is a yuri anime niche that semi-regularly gets new additions. Sad to say, but in 2015 that's pretty advanced.
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I find yuri kuma rather boring, but can't wait for the next season of yuru yuri! It's coming!! (and the hype is real!)
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