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Before you get too down on Japanese culture, though, remember that no one else in the world is doing particularly good when it comes to mass media portrayals of serious lesbian relationships either (with the possible exceptions of French films or low-budget art house movies).

They exist on American or British television, but very sparsely. They are almost absent from big budget Hollywood movies. Bollywood? Not really. Hong Kong cinema? Yeah, right. Scandinavian cinema? Maybe occasionally. Persian or Middle Eastern films? Probably not in our lifetimes.

So even if it is more sparse than it ought to be, at least there is a yuri anime niche that semi-regularly gets new additions. Sad to say, but in 2015 that's pretty advanced.


You can still have more yuri without serious portrayals of lesbianism. I mean.. yuru yuri and sakura trick got pretty popular by yuri standards, and those weren't serious in the slightest. I don't want yuri to become mainstream, I'd just like to see more of it within the niche that it's in

Yuri is a niche... but it should be. I wouldn't like to see yaoi sprinkled all through mainstream anime. A lot of people don't like seeing yuri in the same way I wouldn't like a yaoi if I had ever seen one.

So these genre's should be somewhat isolated to their niche, since it's not what everyone wants to see.
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*ponders*

This has been the way of things for about as long as I can recall. There is demand, but I suspect it is outsized compared to the actual size of the niche (which includes me, actually; I quite like yuri).
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First MAL, then HB now Cr. Will you continue your reign of terror about Yuri everywhere, Silversongwriter?
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Cultural differences, in the West we see two cuties making out and we are content, in Japan the otaku cannot self insert and feel NTRd and betrayed by the hotties, thus dismal sales.
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First MAL, then HB now Cr. Will you continue your reign of terror about Yuri everywhere, Silversongwriter?


Yuri and terror in the same sentence? You're insane
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In Japan the otaku cannot self insert and feel NTRd and betrayed by the hotties, thus dismal sales.


Funny thing is, Max, I can't really fault your logic on this one.
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maxgale wrote:
In Japan the otaku cannot self insert and feel NTRd and betrayed by the hotties, thus dismal sales.


Funny thing is, Max, I can't really fault your logic on this one.




For yuri and great justice we must reclaim anime from the otaku.

Or at least through crowd sourcing and ad revenue from streaming provide for content creators to produce work that isn't beholden to that audience.
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maxgale wrote:


rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:


maxgale wrote:
In Japan the otaku cannot self insert and feel NTRd and betrayed by the hotties, thus dismal sales.


Funny thing is, Max, I can't really fault your logic on this one.




For yuri and great justice we must reclaim anime from the otaku.

Or at least through crowd sourcing and ad revenue from streaming provide for content creators to produce work that isn't beholden to that audience.


Great idea.... but keep the fanservice
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Posted 3/17/15 , edited 3/17/15

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mnmike wrote:

Before you get too down on Japanese culture, though, remember that no one else in the world is doing particularly good when it comes to mass media portrayals of serious lesbian relationships either (with the possible exceptions of French films or low-budget art house movies).

They exist on American or British television, but very sparsely. They are almost absent from big budget Hollywood movies. Bollywood? Not really. Hong Kong cinema? Yeah, right. Scandinavian cinema? Maybe occasionally. Persian or Middle Eastern films? Probably not in our lifetimes.

So even if it is more sparse than it ought to be, at least there is a yuri anime niche that semi-regularly gets new additions. Sad to say, but in 2015 that's pretty advanced.


You can still have more yuri without serious portrayals of lesbianism. I mean.. yuru yuri and sakura trick got pretty popular by yuri standards, and those weren't serious in the slightest. I don't want yuri to become mainstream, I'd just like to see more of it within the niche that it's in

Yuri is a niche... but it should be. I wouldn't like to see yaoi sprinkled all through mainstream anime. A lot of people don't like seeing yuri in the same way I wouldn't like a yaoi if I had ever seen one.

So these genre's should be somewhat isolated to their niche, since it's not what everyone wants to see.





I pretty much disagree with you in almost everything you said regarding yuri.



I like my yuri, romantic, sad, AND mainstream.

Why else are stuff like Clannad Afterstory, Toradora, Angel Beats, etc. considered classics?
Plus if we get it mainstream, we may get more stuff from it.

That's why I've been dying to see a new Kannazuki no Miko, or a sequel in the form of a movie.
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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


mnmike wrote:

Before you get too down on Japanese culture, though, remember that no one else in the world is doing particularly good when it comes to mass media portrayals of serious lesbian relationships either (with the possible exceptions of French films or low-budget art house movies).

They exist on American or British television, but very sparsely. They are almost absent from big budget Hollywood movies. Bollywood? Not really. Hong Kong cinema? Yeah, right. Scandinavian cinema? Maybe occasionally. Persian or Middle Eastern films? Probably not in our lifetimes.

So even if it is more sparse than it ought to be, at least there is a yuri anime niche that semi-regularly gets new additions. Sad to say, but in 2015 that's pretty advanced.


You can still have more yuri without serious portrayals of lesbianism. I mean.. yuru yuri and sakura trick got pretty popular by yuri standards, and those weren't serious in the slightest. I don't want yuri to become mainstream, I'd just like to see more of it within the niche that it's in

Yuri is a niche... but it should be. I wouldn't like to see yaoi sprinkled all through mainstream anime. A lot of people don't like seeing yuri in the same way I wouldn't like a yaoi if I had ever seen one.

So these genre's should be somewhat isolated to their niche, since it's not what everyone wants to see.





I pretty much disagree with you in almost everything you said regarding yuri.



I like my yuri, romantic, sad, AND mainstream.

Why else are stuff like Clannad Afterstory, Toradora, Angel Beats, etc. considered classics?
Plus if we get it mainstream, we may get more stuff from it.

That's why I've been dying to see a new Kannazuki no Miko, or a sequel in the form of a movie.


We have different tastes... because Kannazuki No Miko was awful to me. It's definitely my least favorite yuri

Out of the ones I've seen Revolutionary Girl Utena is my favorite, then there's Yuru Yuri.

As much as I like real yuri, if having more anime like Aoi Hana means having less anime like Cross Ange, then count me out
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Posted 3/18/15 , edited 3/18/15

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I think actual romantic Yuri is usually referred to as Shoujo Ai.


Shoujo ai is just americanized japanese. In japan, an anime revolving around a lesbian relationship is yuri... sexual or not. Western viewers use the term shoujo ai for non-sexual yuri, but the term actually refers to pedophilia


I was just going by the typical tagging convention used on MAL. But the term literally translates to Girl's Love right? Which is what Yuri means. Isn't pedophilia referred to by "lolicon"?
And that right there is your problem. Literal translations don't always carry over the implied connotations. It'd be like a foreigner calling a manual labor job a handjob.

The reason this confusion even exists with this term is that the Japanese actually use the ENGLISH phrase Girl's Love as another name for Yuri, to sound cool. However English speakers are the ones that decided that translating the faux English phrase literally back into Japanese was a good idea, probably because they don't know that Girl's Love(english) IS the "Japanese phrase" and that translating it into Shoujo Ai, which pretty much means a love FOR little girls, is a bad idea.

The terms usage in western cultural is pretty much safe to use as a term for GL, but its important to remember that it is term used in the West rather than in Japan, and to know that its usage is Japanese is sketchy at best.

EDIT: Just a side note part of the problem with the translation is that Shoujo Ai is not "girl'S love" but rather "young girl love". The phrase does not imply that it is a Girl in love but rather that it is a love for little girls. There is no possesive word to indicate that the love belongs to the girl. Just think how different the phrase "A young girl's love" sounds from "A young girl love"
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Posted 3/18/15

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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


mnmike wrote:

Before you get too down on Japanese culture, though, remember that no one else in the world is doing particularly good when it comes to mass media portrayals of serious lesbian relationships either (with the possible exceptions of French films or low-budget art house movies).

They exist on American or British television, but very sparsely. They are almost absent from big budget Hollywood movies. Bollywood? Not really. Hong Kong cinema? Yeah, right. Scandinavian cinema? Maybe occasionally. Persian or Middle Eastern films? Probably not in our lifetimes.

So even if it is more sparse than it ought to be, at least there is a yuri anime niche that semi-regularly gets new additions. Sad to say, but in 2015 that's pretty advanced.


You can still have more yuri without serious portrayals of lesbianism. I mean.. yuru yuri and sakura trick got pretty popular by yuri standards, and those weren't serious in the slightest. I don't want yuri to become mainstream, I'd just like to see more of it within the niche that it's in

Yuri is a niche... but it should be. I wouldn't like to see yaoi sprinkled all through mainstream anime. A lot of people don't like seeing yuri in the same way I wouldn't like a yaoi if I had ever seen one.

So these genre's should be somewhat isolated to their niche, since it's not what everyone wants to see.





I pretty much disagree with you in almost everything you said regarding yuri.



I like my yuri, romantic, sad, AND mainstream.

Why else are stuff like Clannad Afterstory, Toradora, Angel Beats, etc. considered classics?
Plus if we get it mainstream, we may get more stuff from it.

That's why I've been dying to see a new Kannazuki no Miko, or a sequel in the form of a movie.


We have different tastes... because Kannazuki No Miko was awful to me. It's definitely my least favorite yuri

Out of the ones I've seen Revolutionary Girl Utena is my favorite, then there's Yuru Yuri.

As much as I like real yuri, if having more anime like Aoi Hana means having less anime like Cross Ange, then count me out





And why do you not like it?
Also, do you have another yuri you dislike besides KnM?
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I like all yuri. Lots of it (Sakura Trick), comedy-relief (YuruYuri) or undertone (fate/kaleid). If its yuri, its good.
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And why do you not like it?
Also, do you have another yuri you dislike besides KnM?


I didn't like the characters, especially Himeko. I thought the story was stupid on the level of SAO, only that anime was enteraining enough to make up for it's stupidity, while Kannazuki no miko wasn't to me. I just didn't dervive much entertainment and Himeko was very annoying to me. The only character I really liked was the dude, and not becuase he was a good character, but because he yells all the time and it's kind of funny

The show just tried way too hard to be emotional to where it was grating. I did enjoy the giant robot battles.

As for other yuri... well... I don't dislike Aoi Hana, but don't care too much for it. Sakura Trick is Ok too I guess. Sasameki Koto is Okay as well. I've only seen the first two episodes of Strawberry Panic, and I disliked it. Although it might get better. Akuma no Riddle is OK, I've mentioned that Yuru Yuri and Revolutionary Girl Utena are the only ones I found phenomenal. Maria-sama is ok too. Steel Angel Kurumi 2 is a great show as well. Yuri Kuma Arashi... don't really know what to say about it. I get the symoblism, but it's... I don't know. Devil Lady is really entertaining as well. As far as I'm concerned Kiniro Mosaic is yuri, and that's also alright. Kannamemo was funny and weird, I like it.

That's the problem with yuri, it's too "ok", there's really only a handful of ones that are above average. Yet anime like Aria, and Noir, which are masterpieces are around to give people the feel of yuri but not actually being yuri
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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:

And why do you not like it?
Also, do you have another yuri you dislike besides KnM?


I didn't like the characters, especially Himeko. I thought the story was stupid on the level of SAO, only that anime was enteraining enough to make up for it's stupidity, while Kannazuki no miko wasn't to me. I just didn't dervive much entertainment and Himeko was very annoying to me. The only character I really liked was the dude, and not becuase he was a good character, but because he yells all the time and it's kind of funny

The show just tried way too hard to be emotional to where it was grating. I did enjoy the giant robot battles.

As for other yuri... well... I don't dislike Aoi Hana, but don't care too much for it. Sakura Trick is Ok too I guess. Sasameki Koto is Okay as well. I've only seen the first two episodes of Strawberry Panic, and I disliked it. Although it might get better. Akuma no Riddle is OK, I've mentioned that Yuru Yuri and Revolutionary Girl Utena are the only ones I found phenomenal. Maria-sama is ok too. Steel Angel Kurumi 2 is a great show as well. Yuri Kuma Arashi... don't really know what to say about it. I get the symoblism, but it's... I don't know. Devil Lady is really entertaining as well. As far as I'm concerned Kiniro Mosaic is yuri, and that's also alright. Kannamemo was funny and weird, I like it.

That's the problem with yuri, it's too "ok", there's really only a handful of ones that are above average. Yet anime like Aria, and Noir, which are masterpieces are around to give people the feel of yuri but not actually being yuri







Alright then.


Ne, now its my turn.

I think Yuru Yuri is a shining turd sandwich. Its also the most retarded thing ever.
I also find SP overrated as hell. Not bad, but overrated.
Kanamemo has the worst anime character in history, and that's all I have to say about that one.

I also seen some of the other stuff and...yeah, pretty meh.

Guess apart from our tastes, we have SOMETHING in common.
We both are very picky on what we want in yuri.
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