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I run into a difficult situation of wanting digital copies of stuff to store in my media server at home, my own personal collection. However I don't always want to buy a physical copy and a lot of the places that sell any shows or movies online either have terrible drm or require special programs that are not on Linux for the downloads themselves. I refuse to change my os to just to be allowed to purchase something, which sucks because I would gladly shop on iTunes. When I upgrade my storage I plan to buy my favorite animes and tv shows on blueray so I can produce my own preferred encode settings. Though doing so is still technically illegal at least for dvd where you are bypassing a protection software on the disk to do so.

I don't need or want a physical copy of everything though :'(
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Meanwhile in non English speaking territories, piracy is the only way out for content.
Also Don't forget about the +18 fansubs.
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But for manga publishers, there's no feasible way to publish everything, and readers/scanlators take that as their excuse to illegally distribute whatever they want. Then, because their scans are soon copied onto every manga aggregator site you can think of, anyone looking to read the manga series will find it on those sites (which make a profit for the site-builder off ads) and may not even realize they're getting illegal content.


To be fair, if they are hosting it themselves they might just be looking to pay for the cost of running the site. A lot of ads only pay per click rather than view and only about 1% of ads ever get selected. Of course there may be some making a profit and they likely see it as a necessity to provide what they see as a service. It is hard to love an art that can be difficult to get your hands on. Also a lot of people buy the Japanese editions and create the translated versions online.


From the abundance of scanlator aggregator sites out there (when one should do, really) I doubt that they are "only" making just enough money to support the server cost. They're ripping off the work of the scanlators AND the original artists, and host all kinds of series that have already been licensed—I think they're the worst of the worst.

A scanlator group buying 1 or 2 copies of the book in Japanese, then distributing its contents to THOUSANDS of readers does not begin to make up for the harm they're doing. Long ago, it used to be more common for sites to provide summaries of volumes/chapters, and for people who wanted to check the series out to buy the manga in Japanese and follow the summaries to understand what's going on. I still consider this a much better approach because it encourages supporting the artist and still offers incentive for readers to buy an English version when it becomes available. When I did read scans, even with the best intentions it was hard to motivate myself to buy what I'd already read. After I stopped reading them, I could once again get EXCITED looking forward to the legal releases of series I enjoyed.

I buy my manga in English and Japanese and have well over a thousand books in my collection. If I get impatient and want to read ahead of the English release, I buy the series in both languages. (currently doing this for Skip Beat!) I studied Japanese for two years in college and since then have kept up my reading practice on my own.
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Because they assume it's stealing, but that's not really a fact. Can you really make a copy of a premium car if you steal it?


Really. Because there is a bit of case law and a statute or two which might disagree.


And the "woe is me anime doesn't get licensed in my country" excuse annoys the hell outta me and anyone who actually worked to establish anime in America. Create fanclubs, host conventions, work with distributors or hell, start your own distribution biz.

The industry here was formed by fans. Not pirates.






Posted 3/18/15
personally think it's disrespectful to the artists who work so hard for each volume of manga or light novel or whatever. somebody has to work to get an episode done.
and ppl don't understand how much effort it is to make a page of manga or episode, that's why they can just brush it off as... "it's not in my country, so i'm guilty-free"...

if they were forced to make a living making manga/anime, and then people say this line to them.... I wonder how would they feel... lol...


Having said that, there are artists who don't mind having their works pirated. They do it for the art, not for the money. But most artists rely on people buying their material to get the royalty.
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I have different approaches to manga and anime. For manga, I'll default to purchasing volumes from bookstores, and I'll restrict my reading of scanlations to stuff that either hasn't been released stateside (like Deadman Wonderland before Viz picked it up) or is WAY farther in Japan (like Assassination Classroom). For anime, I like to watch first and buy later if I liked it enough. Buying anime can be a lot pricier than buying manga (unless you get a good deal), so I can't use the same purchasing pattern for each. I also won't subscribe to CR, but that's only because the video player sucks. I've been watching through GIntama, and half the episodes crash partway through.
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I'm against instances of piracy where a product that is readily avaliable legally is being obtained illegally. Now, I live in America, where most of the anime on Crunchyroll is available, and people here still pirate, which is the equivalent of stealing. It is really that simple. Now, if you live in an area where a product is not available, then pirating is the only option, then it becomes the fault of the supply not meeting the demand.

And also, as GayAsianBoy said, it is extremely disrespectful who put their hard work into these anime and manga (and it is very hard work, if the recent news showing their wages was any indication).
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Sephigi wrote:

Because they assume it's stealing, but that's not really a fact. Can you really make a copy of a premium car if you steal it?


Really. Because there is a bit of case law and a statute or two which might disagree.


And the "woe is me anime doesn't get licensed in my country" excuse annoys the hell outta me and anyone who actually worked to establish anime in America. Create fanclubs, host conventions, work with distributors or hell, start your own distribution biz.

The industry here was formed by fans. Not pirates.








Really? because it is hard to start a fan club for something that literally does not exist legally in your country. It caught on in the US partially as a result of groups that started off pirating it :/ Heck crunchyroll started off as a fan subs thing and put a lot of work in afterwards to become legal from my understanding.
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I run into a difficult situation of wanting digital copies of stuff to store in my media server at home, my own personal collection. However I don't always want to buy a physical copy and a lot of the places that sell any shows or movies online either have terrible drm or require special programs that are not on Linux for the downloads themselves. I refuse to change my os to just to be allowed to purchase something, which sucks because I would gladly shop on iTunes. When I upgrade my storage I plan to buy my favorite animes and tv shows on blueray so I can produce my own preferred encode settings. Though doing so is still technically illegal at least for dvd where you are bypassing a protection software on the disk to do so.

I don't need or want a physical copy of everything though :'(


I'll agree with this. I wish video, both anime and others, were sold more like music is now. I'd love to be able to buy some shows in just digital format and not have to deal with DRM or the shows being stuck on a cloud somewhere. Amazon will let you buy shows, but they don't let you download them (unless you have their tablet). But they let you buy and download music just fine...though they aren't Linux friendly.

If CR or Funi got into selling digital versions of shows for download without DRM nonsense, I'd be throwing money at them.
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I have different approaches to manga and anime. For manga, I'll default to purchasing volumes from bookstores, and I'll restrict my reading of scanlations to stuff that either hasn't been released stateside (like Deadman Wonderland before Viz picked it up) or is WAY farther in Japan (like Assassination Classroom). For anime, I like to watch first and buy later if I liked it enough. Buying anime can be a lot pricier than buying manga (unless you get a good deal), so I can't use the same purchasing pattern for each. I also won't subscribe to CR, but that's only because the video player sucks. I've been watching through GIntama, and half the episodes crash partway through.


Ya, the crashing sometimes happens when you are using it at times where the servers are very congested, such as prime time or when new anime is released. A quick refresh usually does the trick, it really is not that bad.
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Jhackler wrote:


maxgale wrote:


Sephigi wrote:

Because they assume it's stealing, but that's not really a fact. Can you really make a copy of a premium car if you steal it?


Really. Because there is a bit of case law and a statute or two which might disagree.


And the "woe is me anime doesn't get licensed in my country" excuse annoys the hell outta me and anyone who actually worked to establish anime in America. Create fanclubs, host conventions, work with distributors or hell, start your own distribution biz.

The industry here was formed by fans. Not pirates.








Really? because it is hard to start a fan club for something that literally does not exist legally in your country. It caught on in the US partially as a result of groups that started off pirating it :/ Heck crunchyroll started off as a fan subs thing and put a lot of work in afterwards to become legal from my understanding.


Yep. Really. That's how it was done here. People deciding they were passionate enough for anime that they saw an episode of Speed Racer or Astro Boy that they got together with fellow enthusiasts and learned there was more out there, learned about manga and that there was an ocean of content that wasn't being exported.

So they took it upon themselves to change that.

And did just that.

So no excuses.
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Years ago I started VHS tape collecting and trading of old movies and tv shows. Why? The studios/companies had little to no interest to release shows/movies that wouldn't sell more than enough copies to turn a profit. In some cases they'd claim the shows/movies were too dated and would never have seen the light of day if it wasn't for collectors who cared more about the movies/shows than the creators/owners did. They saw them as dollar signs not pieces of history. To this day there are millions of titles never released on VHS and surprisingly STILL millions of shows/movies never brought to DVD from VHS also. Now, on top of that, a lot of the DVDs we get of movies/shows are incomplete. For example, there were a bunch of movies that aired as special made for tv versions with added footage. The footage has never been released anywhere since or in the case of shows like WKRP in Cincinatti, the entire soundtrack was replaced for copyright issues and in doing so jokes to do with the music had to be edited out too. Cases like these tick off fans of old and they look for what made them happy originally not the scraps from the tables the studios like to give them.

A little after that anime began showing up over here. It was bad...really reallly bad production-wise. We started not with subbed, but with poorly dubbed anime that by today's standard would be like comparing a burro to a Ferrari. We were lucky to get a dozen anime shows/movies a year. That's when fan clubs and fan subs first showed their faces. We were grateful for them and most of the ones we watched way back then STILL have never been released over here subbed, dubbed or otherwise.

That being said, I'm against piracy of things legally available where you live. The excuses of it costs too much or the money isn't even really going to the people who made it are in fact quite true in many cases but without partaking in the legal offerings the money to make more series (or bring more over here) will obviously be cut drastically. We're getting almost 50 anime series a season now. It may drop to 40 a season in a year or two. Maybe, 30 a season, the year after that. Look at the series you enjoy watching these days. Now, picture 3 out of every 5 series you enjoy never being made. It may seem out there, but its happened before to both the VHS and videogame industries.
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Jhackler wrote:

I run into a difficult situation of wanting digital copies of stuff to store in my media server at home, my own personal collection. However I don't always want to buy a physical copy and a lot of the places that sell any shows or movies online either have terrible drm or require special programs that are not on Linux for the downloads themselves. I refuse to change my os to just to be allowed to purchase something, which sucks because I would gladly shop on iTunes. When I upgrade my storage I plan to buy my favorite animes and tv shows on blueray so I can produce my own preferred encode settings. Though doing so is still technically illegal at least for dvd where you are bypassing a protection software on the disk to do so.

I don't need or want a physical copy of everything though :'(


I'll agree with this. I wish video, both anime and others, were sold more like music is now. I'd love to be able to buy some shows in just digital format and not have to deal with DRM or the shows being stuck on a cloud somewhere. Amazon will let you buy shows, but they don't let you download them (unless you have their tablet). But they let you buy and download music just fine...though they aren't Linux friendly.

If CR or Funi got into selling digital versions of shows for download without DRM nonsense, I'd be throwing money at them.


Last I remember, you can buy anime on your playstation 3.
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I sold my ps3
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maxgale wrote:


Jhackler wrote:


maxgale wrote:


Sephigi wrote:

Because they assume it's stealing, but that's not really a fact. Can you really make a copy of a premium car if you steal it?


Really. Because there is a bit of case law and a statute or two which might disagree.


And the "woe is me anime doesn't get licensed in my country" excuse annoys the hell outta me and anyone who actually worked to establish anime in America. Create fanclubs, host conventions, work with distributors or hell, start your own distribution biz.

The industry here was formed by fans. Not pirates.








Really? because it is hard to start a fan club for something that literally does not exist legally in your country. It caught on in the US partially as a result of groups that started off pirating it :/ Heck crunchyroll started off as a fan subs thing and put a lot of work in afterwards to become legal from my understanding.


Yep. Really. That's how it was done here. People deciding they were passionate enough for anime that they saw an episode of Speed Racer or Astro Boy that they got together with fellow enthusiasts and learned there was more out there, learned about manga and that there was an ocean of content that wasn't being exported.

So they took it upon themselves to change that.

And did just that.

So no excuses.

Yes but you said don't pirate to start with. You are missing the fact everyone pirated stuff while requesting legal copies instead of saying it doesn't exist so not going to look at any of it. Then lets start these groups on something that for all we know we hate. In the Us we at least get enough legal content now to know we like the stuff.
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