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Such tyranny! If only we could make our voices heard somehow to denounce this evil policy.
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StriderShinryu wrote:

I like the idea as long as there is an actual "None of the above" option with a comment box for why you made your choice (or chose "None"). I don't see anything wrong with requiring everyone to vote as long as they are not forced to choose one of the options put in front of them, especially given an American style two party system.




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Or.. ya know.. it IS a democracy. Maybe if people took an interest and voted in primaries and participated in getting candidates that they thought represented them in.... Kinda like how the system is supposed to work?

They're your parties, your candidates, and if you don't participate you don't have a say.. (but the flip side is if you do participate you have a lot of say).


The only thing i have a problem with that is that its generally only the democrats or the republicans that are the ones that get a chance. There are other parties out there that never see the light of day because they are the minority. Our system doesn't really work because its corrupt.


For both of you, there's the write in. If your candidate doesn't win, at least you voted for them. And if enough people actually start participating in politics, then maybe they'll become aware of other parties outside of the two party system. Otherwise... It's a self fullfilling prophecy. You think it's only two parties, so you only vote for one of the two parties...
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Mandatory voting will never happen. That would be limiting the freedom of the citizens. Voting is no longer a choice when it is forced. There is no way it would pass House, Senate and Congress. It wouldn't even make it to the President's desk.


You know that your freedom to vote actually outranks your first amendment right?

That it's so damned important that you vote unimpeded of influence or coercion (meaning forcing you to vote for a particular party), that they actually restrict the first amendment rights of others while you vote.

I worked the polls last year during the election.The district I was working had several issues, including a write in candidate for a local office not respecting the distance required from the polls for campaigning We actually had to have the police come and enforce the border to maintain impartial votes. We had to remove all campaign materials from the voters view while others where waiting in line to vote. We adamantly refused to tell voters the name of said write in because it would be in violation of voting regulations and could be taken as coercing or influencing the vote.

People really have no idea how serious that shit is..


That is exactly why we will never be forced to vote as most people would just vote for the party they are registered to or the party they see more of. We hold the freedom to elect our officials the closest to us and even spread such traditions to other nations. Forcing citizens to vote or face a tax would only serve to enrage the citizens who choose to not vote.

Forced voting wouldn't even dent fund raising (as far as eliminating it) either. If anything, fund raising would become needed much more in order to spread your name as frequently as possible in order to get the votes of people who are just going to avoid a tax. Studies I have seen have indicated that for voters who really don't follow the candidates they will either vote for their registered party candidate or the best looking name. Did you know some politicians actually change their names to be more appealing to voters (going on a little tangent, forgive me.):

For example, if you were to vote for a Commissioner of Agriculture such as in my state (Kentucky) we had a candidate win with the name of Richie Farmer. He may not have changed his name, but his name certainly won him the vote for sure. (end tangent.)
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Khaltazar wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:

Mandatory voting will never happen. That would be limiting the freedom of the citizens. Voting is no longer a choice when it is forced. There is no way it would pass House, Senate and Congress. It wouldn't even make it to the President's desk.


You know that your freedom to vote actually outranks your first amendment right?

That it's so damned important that you vote unimpeded of influence or coercion (meaning forcing you to vote for a particular party), that they actually restrict the first amendment rights of others while you vote.

I worked the polls last year during the election.The district I was working had several issues, including a write in candidate for a local office not respecting the distance required from the polls for campaigning We actually had to have the police come and enforce the border to maintain impartial votes. We had to remove all campaign materials from the voters view while others where waiting in line to vote. We adamantly refused to tell voters the name of said write in because it would be in violation of voting regulations and could be taken as coercing or influencing the vote.

People really have no idea how serious that shit is..


That is exactly why we will never be forced to vote as most people would just vote for the party they are registered to or the party they see more of. We hold the freedom to elect our officials the closest to us and even spread such traditions to other nations. Forcing citizens to vote or face a tax would only serve to enrage the citizens who choose to not vote.

Forced voting wouldn't even dent fund raising (as far as eliminating it) either. If anything, fund raising would become needed much more in order to spread your name as frequently as possible in order to get the votes of people who are just going to avoid a tax. Studies I have seen have indicated that for voters who really don't follow the candidates they will either vote for their registered party candidate or the best looking name. Did you know some politicians actually change their names to be more appealing to voters (going on a little tangent, forgive me.):

For example, if you were to vote for a Commissioner of Agriculture such as in my state (Kentucky) we had a candidate win with the name of Richie Farmer. He may not have changed his name, but his name certainly won him the vote for sure. (end tangent.) :)


I don't disagree with you. I believe I said in my first post on this subject that I don't think a tax or fine for not voting is a good idea, and I call BS on our president saying he'd support it.

my problem is with people not voting in general, or not knowing a damned factual thing about their candidates.. Which is self inflicted ignorance.
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AirMarshall wrote:

A short while ago, United States President Barack Obama announced his support for Mandatory voting. He claims that it will make fundraising obsolete and eliminate voting suppression. I'll have a link to the article I read below:

https://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/274408-obamas-solution-money-politics-completely-change-political-map/

I'd like to hear what you guys think about this.

As much as I preach that my fellow Americans should go out there and vote (at least during Presidential elections), I am against the idea of forced voting. In the end, it's their choice, and all I can do is stand here and be all like "The fate of the world rests with you on [INSERT ELECTION DATE HERE]," and "I don't care who you vote for; just go out there and vote," and stuff.

But seriously, I need to read more on this. Forced voting? What the hell, man....
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I rather not vote at all. Jury duty blows and I don't care who becomes president because they all suck. Democrat and Republican.
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Personally, I would prefer my voters to care and be passionate about voting ...
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For both of you, there's the write in. If your candidate doesn't win, at least you voted for them. And if enough people actually start participating in politics, then maybe they'll become aware of other parties outside of the two party system. Otherwise... It's a self fullfilling prophecy. You think it's only two parties, so you only vote for one of the two parties...


This is what i have to say about voting. Its useless, put on your tinfoil hat mockery if you will but Bush already proved that theory. Until we clean out the corruption in politics and underhanded scheming i refuse to take part of it. If we got rid of the Democrats and Republicans for 4 years and let the lesser parties have a chance and see what happens maybe i might be more inclined but as it is both parties are equally stupid for various reasons i don't feel like getting into.

I don't care if anyone is of any party or has a certain view, their entitled to it and I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong in their choices. If people want to vote then so be it thats their choice but I'm fed up with being forced to do shit against my will that makes no sense.

Portland Arts Tax Is what ultimately pushed me over the edge in politics.

As for the mandatory voting I'm 100% against it not due to the being forced to vote per se but the fact that, this is a nation founded on freedom and as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone or their lifestyle they are free to do. Mandatory is not free and it interferes with my freedom therefore its technically against the law. I don't care if I'm right or wrong on that, its just my feelings towards the whole subject as a whole.
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PhantomGundam wrote:

The fact that this country has such a low voter turnout should tell you something. It's a problem with the candidates, not the voters. If king Obama honestly wants voter turnout to increase, he should focus on endorsing candidates that want to help the public rather than forcing people to vote for someone they dislike. But since Obama is never honest, he'll never do that.


Or.. ya know.. it IS a democracy. Maybe if people took an interest and voted in primaries and participated in getting candidates that they thought represented them in.... Kinda like how the system is supposed to work?

They're your parties, your candidates, and if you don't participate you don't have a say.. (but the flip side is if you do participate you have a lot of say).


It doesn't matter who I vote for. As long as they're not democrat or republican, they have no chance of winning. The people who get elected into office are the ones with enough money to buy their voters. Even if some saintly person with a cure for cancer started running for president, the media would only give them 2 seconds of fame and shove them aside for their favorite democrat or republican candidate. That's the problem with America's 2-party system works. People don't vote because they don't care about their country. They reframe from voting because their only options are bad options. If they're not a bad option, they have no chance of getting elected. People who vote blindly are only helping this flawed voting system rather than fixing it.
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Mandatory insurance, mandatory voting, mandatory bi-daily showers, mandatory 3-meal-a-days, mandatory relax-time, mandatory...
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Can we make voting online too?
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i dont believe it i love obama i dont think he would really do this
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As time marches on, I grow more and more pleased that I have never voted for this man. Not even once.

Hooray personal life choices!
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Time to pack up and get US citizenship revoked, I guess.
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