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Missouri Executes Man Who Lost A Chunk Of His Brain.
Posted 3/18/15
That's so sad! " doesn't meet the criteria for an intellectually disabled person?" I suppose he wasn't missing enough to satisfy the victims?. So stupid, this .. :/
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Posted 3/18/15

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That's so sad! " doesn't meet the criteria for an intellectually disabled person?" I suppose he wasn't missing enough to satisfy the victims?. So stupid, this .. :/


So if he killed your father or your loved one, would you be satisfy?

Oh no? Yeah I thought so.

I'm thinking outside the box here and putting myself in the family of the cop that he killed. Plus i live in Texas and we famous for the death penalty so I guess i'm biased haha
Posted 3/18/15 , edited 3/18/15

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I'm from the state of Texas so I don't really give a fuck. He killed a cop, let there be an eye for an eye. If you killed someone here in Texas, you're gonna get the death penalty too.



The particular part of Clayton’s brain that was damaged is the portion which governs judgment and impulse control.
Which probably explains why, in 1996, Clayton shot and killed a police officer. Clayton was convicted of murdering sheriff's deputy Chris Castetter after a domestic disturbance in 1996. His case drew extra attention because of his brain injury, the result of a 1972 sawmill accident that forced doctors to remove one-fifth of his frontal lobe. His lawyers contended the damage not only sparked a massive personality change that may have turned him into a killer, but also rendered him mentally incompetent and therefore ineligible for capital punishment.


He have the injury before this happen. He could't make sane or logical decision to begin with. Killing him 're achieve nothing.
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Posted 3/18/15

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musiclol wrote:

I'm from the state of Texas so I don't really give a fuck. He killed a cop, let there be an eye for an eye. If you killed someone here in Texas, you're gonna get the death penalty too.



The particular part of Clayton’s brain that was damaged is the portion which governs judgment and impulse control.
Which probably explains why, in 1996, Clayton shot and killed a police officer. Clayton was convicted of murdering sheriff's deputy Chris Castetter after a domestic disturbance in 1996. His case drew extra attention because of his brain injury, the result of a 1972 sawmill accident that forced doctors to remove one-fifth of his frontal lobe. His lawyers contended the damage not only sparked a massive personality change that may have turned him into a killer, but also rendered him mentally incompetent and therefore ineligible for capital punishment.


He have the injury before this happen. He could't make sane or logical decision to begin with. Killing him 're achieve nothing.


Yes I can read. But it doesn't matter to me.

Justice is blind. A life for a life.

And it achieve plenty, it will bring some closure for the family of the cop for one.

Of course, these are my value and my opinion, it just how I look at thing.
Posted 3/18/15

musiclol wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:


musiclol wrote:

I'm from the state of Texas so I don't really give a fuck. He killed a cop, let there be an eye for an eye. If you killed someone here in Texas, you're gonna get the death penalty too.



The particular part of Clayton’s brain that was damaged is the portion which governs judgment and impulse control.
Which probably explains why, in 1996, Clayton shot and killed a police officer. Clayton was convicted of murdering sheriff's deputy Chris Castetter after a domestic disturbance in 1996. His case drew extra attention because of his brain injury, the result of a 1972 sawmill accident that forced doctors to remove one-fifth of his frontal lobe. His lawyers contended the damage not only sparked a massive personality change that may have turned him into a killer, but also rendered him mentally incompetent and therefore ineligible for capital punishment.


He have the injury before this happen. He could't make sane or logical decision to begin with. Killing him 're achieve nothing.


Yes I can read. But it doesn't matter to me.

Justice is blind. A life for a life.

And it achieve plenty, it will bring some closure for the family of the cop for one.

Of course, these are my value and my opinion, it just how I look at thing.


You know that kind of fuck up ? Yeah unless it bring the dead back I don't think it bring closure to anybody.
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Posted 3/18/15

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Reread the article and now i'm a bit conflicted, if he had no impulse control he was a danger to everyone which prove fatal for the deputy so he should be punish for the crime he committed but on the other hand even through i'm pro-death it's pointless to execute him if he didn't understand why he was being executed. I really don't have an answer for this case going to need to do a bit more research and see how other countries handle dangerous unstable people. He already took one life maybe keeping him in a "don't know if this is pc" insane asylum for his remaining years may have been better. Have to think on this one.


He had that happen to him before he was involved with the shooting.


The particular part of Clayton’s brain that was damaged is the portion which governs judgment and impulse control.


So you're saying he should be punished for having no control over his judgement and impulse control?

Sure he's in the wrong for killing a cop. But executing proves nothing. If anything, they should have at least ruled it involving mental health and placed him in some mental health facility.
Posted 3/19/15 , edited 3/19/15

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But executing proves nothing. If anything, they should have at least ruled it involving mental health and placed him in some mental health facility.


But it's dodgy that he wasn't placed in mental heath facility sooner. Thought maybe he was convicted and straight away put to execution but the timing of the execution and when he was convicted, there is a huge gap.

I don't know how it works in America but this man thought he'd be freed and he'd somehow be on the road spreading jesus which is dodgy to start with. lol no offence. Much more likely that (due to) whatever his Attorneys would argue he'd be placed under guarded protection if he dodged the needle.
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Posted 3/19/15

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J-POP187 wrote:

Reread the article and now i'm a bit conflicted, if he had no impulse control he was a danger to everyone which prove fatal for the deputy so he should be punish for the crime he committed but on the other hand even through i'm pro-death it's pointless to execute him if he didn't understand why he was being executed. I really don't have an answer for this case going to need to do a bit more research and see how other countries handle dangerous unstable people. He already took one life maybe keeping him in a "don't know if this is pc" insane asylum for his remaining years may have been better. Have to think on this one.


He had that happen to him before he was involved with the shooting.


The particular part of Clayton’s brain that was damaged is the portion which governs judgment and impulse control.


So you're saying he should be punished for having no control over his judgement and impulse control?

Sure he's in the wrong for killing a cop. But executing proves nothing. If anything, they should have at least ruled it involving mental health and placed him in some mental health facility.


Hence why I say there is no easy answer, he could potentially "which I hate that word so much" kill again in the future. If he gets his senses back have a retrial or drop it up to the state. Personally the death penalty should only be used when the convicted knows what they did. I would agree if he was still alive for now it would have been better to keep him lock up.
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Posted 3/19/15
he shot and killed a police officer, so the outcome is expected, not that i agree with it.
notice that if the roles were reversed, and the police shot and killed Clayton instead (for no reason),
the officer would probably have walked free of charge (with maybe a week of paid leave)
Posted 3/19/15 , edited 3/19/15

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TeeBuddy2 wrote:
But executing proves nothing. If anything, they should have at least ruled it involving mental health and placed him in some mental health facility.


But it's dodgy that he wasn't placed in mental heath facility sooner. Thought maybe he was convicted and straight away put to execution but the timing of the execution and when he was convicted, there is a huge gap.

I don't know how it works in America but this man thought he'd be freed and he'd somehow be on the road spreading jesus which is dodgy to start with. lol no offence. Much more likely that (due to) whatever his Attorneys would argue he'd be placed under guarded protection if he dodged the needle.


What I want to know why was't he put in a mental facility or under medical observation after he lost part of his brain. Something is missing here.
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Posted 3/19/15
absolutely barbaric that this is still going on in the U.S, this have to be outlawed. especially since majority of them are black and some people on death row might not even be guilty, but the justice system fail to reopen their case or make any retroactive decisions.
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Posted 3/19/15
This man should've received proper therapy the moment the judge and jury found out he had brain damage. Lock him up so he can't hurt anyone else but also have someone work with him to regain some control over himself. I don't know how expensive it would've been to give him proper medical attention, but it surely would've been cheaper and far more humane than just killing him for an action he had no control of 2 decades ago. Too late now, I guess.
Posted 3/19/15
I believe in the phrase "an eye for an eye" but society is like "give the murderer a slap on the wrist and put him in jail or mental facility". Needless to say, it was good that he was executed, mental disability or not.
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Posted 3/19/15
I think the Death Penalty is a horrible thing, especially in this case. Why not give him medical treatment and help him? Is it cheaper to kill him?
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Posted 3/19/15 , edited 3/19/15
The death penalty doesn't achieve anything other than an enormous bill for the tax payer and another corpse for some other family to mourn. There is zero credible evidence of a deterrent effect and even if there was the risk of executing a innocent by mistake is far too great. There is no justice to be had after an act of murder, we can't bring the dead person back the deed is done, killing the person responsible doesn't bring them back or make up for the families loss. We can only try not too let these things happen again, in this case by maybe making some changes on how we deal with mentally unstable individuals.

"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind"
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