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J-POP187 wrote:

The best way to enact changes is to let people vote with their wallets.


Preach.
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J-POP187 wrote:

The best way to enact changes is to let people vote with their wallets.


Preach.


I second that.
Posted 3/19/15
Bothered to read first link
http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-bakers-who-refused-to-make-cake-for-lesbian-wedding-found-guilty-of-discrimination-will-have-to-pay-up-to-150k-133581/
Sounds like they have situation similar to businesses that get harrassed by annoying aggressive hippies on about some ethic bible lol. They should have just swallowed their pride and serviced them lol, no offence. This is typically what you'd consider under business risk, for that i'd have no sympathy for the business owners. The risk to your business reputation is significant in this situation even without the fines, their enemy will use social media and what not.


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That was the idea. The couples who go into a business to request services from people with differing religious/social views from theirs, do so with the intent of getting said business shut down or disenfranchised. It's not like the sit-ins Blacks did. The intent there was to be acknowledged as human beings. The intent in these recent cases is to force the acceptance of an ideal, and then completely destroy those who disagree.



There was a case where a lesbian tried to get her kids to a catholic school. But they said no, she took them to court, but ultimately the school won.

Now think about it... Why? Why put your children at risk of being bullied for your lifestyle by putting them in an atmosphere where people disaprove of you.

I mean, thank goodness she lost. Otherwise, imagine being in a school, with people who disapprove of gays, after your gay moms took the school to court to let you in? You think bullying wouldn't have happened?
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It's irrelevant for me whether or not it's ridiculous. It's their business.

Plus, if a gay person wanted a cake for any other reason, they would have got it. They were Christians and didn't wanna be a part of a ceremony that's contrary to their beliefs.

If a pagan or satanist wanted a pentagram cake, or a cake with 666 on it... should the little ol' lady who runs the bakery down the street in a little small christian town be forced to do it?


No one forced that little old lady to open her business as a public establishment instead of a private club, now did they? Hmm? Convenient that this point is so often forgotten, that there is an alternative available to religious business owners. Frankly, I'm sick of it being forgotten.
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silversongwriter wrote:

It's irrelevant for me whether or not it's ridiculous. It's their business.

Plus, if a gay person wanted a cake for any other reason, they would have got it. They were Christians and didn't wanna be a part of a ceremony that's contrary to their beliefs.

If a pagan or satanist wanted a pentagram cake, or a cake with 666 on it... should the little ol' lady who runs the bakery down the street in a little small christian town be forced to do it?


No one forced that little old lady to open her business as a public establishment instead of a private club, now did they? Hmm? Convenient that this point is so often forgotten, that there is an alternative available to religious business owners. Frankly, I'm sick of it being forgotten.


Why does it matter?

So a satanist can force people to make satanic imagry... So KKK members should be allowed to order "white power" themed cakes if they want? I mean... if you tell them "no", then youi're discriminating agianst them.
How about something obscene? What if someone just doesn't wanna make something with profanity written on it. How about just leave them the fuck alone.

Here's an idea. Why not go to a different place instead of forcing your values on someone?
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silversongwriter wrote:

Why does it matter?


Because the little old lady in your hypothetical has a business classification that she could use which would allow her to legally discriminate her customers on religious grounds.


So a satanist can force people to make satanic imagry... So KKK members should be allowed to order "white power" themed cakes if they want? I mean... if you tell them "no", then youi're discriminating agianst them.
How about something obscene? What if someone just doesn't wanna make something with profanity written on it. How about just leave them the fuck alone.


...does Klan membership qualify as membership in a protected class?


Here's an idea. Why not go to a different place instead of forcing your values on someone?


Alternatively, we could treat public establishments like public establishments.
Posted 3/19/15
Since everyone nowadays loves being offended for the sake of being offended, I think it will still be there as part of the official amendments, but it will be ignored more and more.

Brought to you by the tumblr-generation of blind "everything is racist and you're wrong we're right" stupidly far lefties.
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Freedom of speech will always remain but there is a big loop hole in it that limits freedom of speech.

Now I can see the second amendment being removed.
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What? Most of these types of people are trolls anyway, and just want to see a reaction from the good-hearted people, which they know are the majority.



Your earlier comment made sense to me.
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No, really: is racism or being a racist protected from discrimination in public establishments? I want the chapters and verses of non-discrimination law saying they are.
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We'll loose it once all the anit-gunners get rid of the 2nd Amendment (it's the easiest target since guns are evil and all). When that happens, it will set a precedent to fuck with the rest of our bill of rights, and boom no more freedom of speech.
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No, really: is racism or being a racist protected from discrimination in public establishments? I want the chapters and verses of non-discrimination law saying they are.


In my state. Gays aren't subject to descrimination laws.

homosexuality is a behavior.. something people "do"... how do you do a "black" thing? Or a "white" thing? homosexuality is a state of mind that can't be seen or heard. So nobody will know your gay unless you say it. And if you're in a relationship, it's not just a sexual oreination but a lifestyle. Similarly, straight people have a straight lifestyle. Lifestyles are the things you "do"

Now, I disagree with my states legislature, becuase it protects religion, which is a lifestyle choice. I do find that hypocritical . I wish NC would only protect things like gender and race, which aren't life style choices
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silversongwriter wrote:

In my state. Gays aren't subject to descrimination laws.


And in Colorado sexual orientation is a protected class. Now, back to the question: why shouldn't that little old lady exercise her option to establish her bakery as a private club if she's so interested in discriminating her customers on the basis of sexual orientation or religion? Who's keeping her from doing that other than herself? Or, to put it another way, isn't this entire "crisis of religious infringement" a total fabrication?


homosexuality is a behavior.. something people "do"... how do you do a "black" thing? Or a "white" thing? homosexuality is a state of mind that can't be seen or heard. So nobody will know your gay unless you say it. And if you're in a relationship, it's not just a sexual oreination but a lifestyle. Similarly, straight people have a straight lifestyle. Lifestyles are the things you "do"

Now, I disagree with my states legislature, becuase it protects religion, which is a lifestyle choice. I do find that hypocritical . I wish NC would only protect things like gender and race, which aren't life style choices


Why on Earth would you want to do that when there's a perfectly viable alternative for those who wish to discriminate their customers on the basis of religion already out there? Why should public establishments be endowed with the power to do that as well?


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We'll loose it once all the anit-gunners get rid of the 2nd Amendment (it's the easiest target since guns are evil and all). When that happens, it will set a precedent to fuck with the rest of our bill of rights, and boom no more freedom of speech.


I really don't see that happening. Meanwhile, an amendment once passed to actually ban people from doing something: purchasing and selling alcohol. That didn't go very well and was reversed in pretty short order (historically speaking). I expect an amendment either revoking the second amendment or overriding it for a ban would meet the same fate even if it somehow miraculously(?) came into being.
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Huh, this is an interesting topic, the U.S. must be a hard place to live...
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