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Is Welfare A Bad Thing? Can People Get Decent Paying Jobs If They Want To?
Posted 3/20/15 , edited 3/21/15
I overheard a classmate of mine saying welfare was a bad thing, so now I'm confuddled.
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It can be when one becomes dependent upon it.
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Welfare means the weaks are taken care of and aren't let to suffer and die prematurely. And of course it means the one doing well are forced to pay for that.

Basically welfare is against absolute freedom, like any other laws. So the question would be : do you believe absolute freedom is a good thing ?

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As someone who has never had a job, taught how to get a job, or meet the requirements of most jobs, I imagine it would be nearly impossible for me.

Will probably go on disability also.
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The issue with Welfare is the corruption and bad stigma it has gone through over the years. Believe it or not though in recent years it has become much more strict and a lot less corruption behind it.

I am not trying to delve into politics too much here, but safety nets in society are needed. Period. When people talk about cutting welfare and food stamps in order to help with budgets and deficits, they are simply deflecting those ideas onto something that is easy to attack.

Government spending on things such as welfare and food stamps is actually miniscule in comparison to other government funded programs. I believe it's something like 1.7%

Depending on your classmates' ideas and upbringing he/she may be looking at it from either budgetary concerns or perhaps because some people who go on welfare and such do as little as possible to get off of it, which is true in some cases, but not all.

I myself have had to rely on such things in my life. I grew up as the child of a single parent who worked a full-time job and many late nights/long hours. I grew up poor never really knowing or understanding what all my mother went through until later in life.

Then shortly after college, the job I had lined up after school simply fell through a few weeks later after moving almost 700 miles away with everything I had in-tow. Other than working various odd jobs and a couple days a week as a substitute teacher I was basically un-employed for almost 2 years. I fought and fought and fought and sold and traded stuff just to eat some days. I finally gave in and signed up for food stamps. I was on them for about 9 months and felt guilty the entire time. As soon as I got a better job and was able to stand on my own two feet, I called my caseworker and told her to take me off the program. I was done with it.

This was just my case. My story as to how it's personally affected me. But, like I said earlier. There are plenty of people who abuse these kinds of programs. Welfare itself though is NOT inherently bad.
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I know this single mom who works 40+ hours a week in a restaurant and still doesn't make enough to cover her costs. She gets welfare to help her out. I have no problems with people like her.
The real jerks are the ones who drive luxury cars and use food stamps. I used to see it all the time at my former job.
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I didn't consider the approach "you'll be dependent on the welfare". Because any kid is dependent on their parents, and any adult is dependent on the society (except for the hermits, but they are not your ideal for life, are they ?).

You can't sustain yourself all alone in society : someone is making the food you eat, someone is teaching your kids, someone is healing you when your sick, and in return you do your share. So what happens when your share is less than what you cost to the society ? many societies have answered this question : the Spartans killed the weaks, the wolves throw them away from the pack, and USA has welfare.
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Welfare means the weaks are taken care of and aren't let to suffer and die prematurely. And of course it means the one doing well are forced to pay for that.

Basically welfare is against absolute freedom, like any other laws. So the question would be : do you believe absolute freedom is a good thing ?



That would be a leading question, but I wouldn't call it "the question". The question of whether welfare is bad should be more about weighing pros and cons. You have to ask yourself whether welfare hurts more than it helps or vice versa, and whether the benefit of welfare is worth the cost. The unfortunate truth is that opinions are often formed based on incomplete assumptions, such as the notion that welfare is nothing more than a struggle between those who believe in absolute freedom and those who don't.

That said, I don't know a lot about welfare -- just bits of information I've picked up from very biased sources. Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that welfare operates similar to an insurance policy against low wages and loss of employment. My inclination would be to believe that welfare can be beneficial to society without placing too much of a burden on the working classes.
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So welfare is good and corruption (as in corrupted welfare) is bad.

Like you say, opinions are formed about sometimes a wrong choice of words.
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This reminds me of a time when I went into a 7-eleven and saw a black lady having a fit over her food stamps not working there. Calling the Clark a racist AND a thief. Saying he was robbing the money in her card. When she finally left she drove off in an Audi A6! I was passed because from the look of her clothes and car she defiantly didn't need it!
Since then I tend to be more REPUBLICAN when it comes to these sort of things. I have SEEN asshole drive luxury cars, complain about prices, and rob candy bars at stores WHILE ON FOOD STAMPS! It fucks with my mind! Because they get that food FOR FREE.
There are wayyyyy to many people abusing the system that is Welfare. It is sad, it truly is. I tend to vote on cutting food stamps and section 8 because people have MORE than enough money and go and get it. I'm not against people who actually NEED it. I would glady let the government take away from my paycheck so they can eat, cause my heart goes for them. I have never been on the wrong side of the fence, I don't know what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. But ill be damned if half my paycheck goes to people who don't work or WORK a good enough job and ask for it.
In short mosteop'e who have it do not need it
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No its not people tend to ignore the fact that while a small minority of people cheat welfare a large majority need it to live.

I don't fall into that Libertarian BS of earning your right to basic necessitates. People trying to justify there own short sighted greed.
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While many of the more... unbiased individuals understand that there are people on Welfare who do and do not deserve the assistance, there are also plenty of people with money who do and do not deserve to be in their more... luxurious (that might be too strong a word for a blanket statement) position. There's good and bad folk at both ends of this discussion, and many of those who appreciate having food stamps and provide a shining example as to why it is such a wonderful program to maintain are in their current position because some greedy, lazy, and self-absorbed people put them in that situation. Shit rolls downhill, as they say. I understand that is how life is, sadly. I'm just noting it here, since many seem to be too focused on the poor man perspective of the matter.
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"Every man is, no doubt, by nature, first and principally recommended to his own care; and as he is fitter to take care of himself than of any other person, it is fit and right that it should be so" -Smith
yet welfare is a restart for everyman that lose the fight , everyone have the freedom to fight for what they want.
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Posted 3/20/15

Juppiter wrote:

While many of the more... unbiased individuals understand that there are people on Welfare who do and do not deserve the assistance, there are also plenty of people with money who do and do not deserve to be in their more... luxurious (that might be too strong a word for a blanket statement) position. There's good and bad folk at both ends of this discussion, and many of those who appreciate having food stamps and provide a shining example as to why it is such a wonderful program to maintain are in their current position because some greedy, lazy, and self-absorbed people put them in that situation. Shit rolls downhill, as they say. I understand that is how life is, sadly. I'm just noting it here, since many seem to be too focused on the poor man perspective of the matter.


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