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Posted 3/21/15 , edited 3/23/15
I come from a military family. My uncle was a marine during the late days of Vietnam. My grandfather was in the Navy and fought the Japanese in the Pacific during WW2, more accurately in the Philippines. My grandfather before him was in the Army in World War 1, etc., etc. My family grew up with the firearm, hunted with it, target practiced, thank God we have never been in the situation where we've had to defend our home with it, but then again, my relatives have seen war, which is just as horrifying. I guess you can say it's bias that I think owning a firearm is okay, no matter where you live and in what country. It's kinda difficult to own one outside of the U.S., but if you are responsible like how fortunately most of the Gun community is in America, why not own one?

With that said, what are your thoughts about gun ownership, guns, the 2nd Amendment, what have you? I haven't gotten a chance outside of high school to see frankly what the world thinks, so speak your mind!

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

EDIT: crap I forgot the "E" in "The". That's what happens when you're sleep deprived. xD

EDIT 2: The gods of Crunchyroll have fixed my typo at last!!
Posted 3/21/15
While I'm not a fan of guns in any situation, i do believe that if you're mature enough and cool headed enough to deal with a situation rationally without having to pull a gun on someone in a non life threatening situation then i see no reason for that person to not own a gun. Sadly though this isn't the case with a lot of people these days. Any idiot can get a gun now if you know where to look or who to talk to.

Really though i don't see the laws changing or guns being a thing of the past anytime soon.
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I'm all for owning guns, Much like you my great grandfather was in WW1 and my grandfather was also cop for 20+ years. My father owns dozens of firearms because he likes to hunt, I dont particularly enjoy hunting, I'm the kind of guy who will buy a firearm just to shoot it at a range. I enjoy using any and all forms of weapons, I guess I have a deep fascination with them, and whenever I hold any weapon; using it almost feels "Natural". I feel that guns arent a problem, people are the problem, someone without proper training in the use of any weapon should not be able to purchase said weapon (of course this is more prevalent to a firearm than something like a sword). In this world though, there are many other ways to procure a firearm, which is why banning guns won't help. If someone REALLY wants it badly enough, they will find a way to get it.
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Posted 3/22/15 , edited 3/22/15
Its certainly possible to be a responsible gun owner and I think its up to each society to decide how they want to regulate firearms.

I don't think Americas at particular risk of being invaded and if it were then I doubt a million rifles are going to help against the force that was able to crush the us military and get to the mainland. Now in the 2nd world war technology era this was probably more relevant but just as the US decided that a invasion of the Pacific's islands and Japan was not viable, any force that broke the US military would probably simply level civilian infrastructure until the population capitulated. Its not like the UN would be able to muster anything to stop a force capable of defeating the US military from committing war crimes against a civilian populace.

So I don't really see a national defence benefit aside from possibly a better partial trained recruitment pool. As far as my own opinion a increase in the number of guns in British society would make me feel less safe not more. Right now its pretty rare for a criminal to have a gun its just not worth the risk and marks you as likely a criminal. The firearms that do exist most commonly are shotguns which are not exactly subtle to carry around. I don't want to be in a arms race, with home invaders in any situation firearms represent a increased risk to all parties. The level of surveillance in the UK as well as the response by police to signs of a firearm in a situation mean its just not worth having a gun on you if you intend to break and enter houses for profit.
Posted 3/22/15
As long as they're handled safely and responsibly, I don't mind it. If something cataclysmic were to happen, like a war breaking out, and the government couldn't protect us, or if someone broke into my house or did a home invasion, I'd want to have the means to protect my own person and property. If I wasn't allowed to own a firearm but the burglar has one illegally would be bad for me. People would just get guns illegally while righteous citizens aren't allowed to have them would be a problem, the police are not always available or get there quickly enough. The owner should be properly trained in the use of the firearm and know about gun safety, keeping it away from children.
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Posted 3/22/15
FUCKIN LOVE IT. Its what makes America. . .America.
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Posted 3/22/15
I don't mind either, and I support the right of people to own; however, I'm hardly enthusiastic. I look down upon the seeming trend to blame inanimate objects, such as firearms and video games, rather than placing responsibility on those who choose to commit atrocities. There was once a time when small blades were popularized as the weapon of choice for murder and theft, and now it appears that guns are in the spotlight. Somewhere down the line, some other invention will be stigmatized. Either way, the intent to harm and terrify will still exist.
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I'm a gun owner and I have a carry permit. I grew up in an extended family that viewed hunting as a favored recreation. Personally I find that simple rules about gun control are a good thing.

Background checks for all who want to own a gun should be mandatory.

Personally I think you should have to pass a gun safety class and if you plan on using your gun for self protection you should have to pass a test on the laws of lethal force in your state. Many states demand that as a prerequisite to getting a carry permit.

All of these things will do little to stop the ever increasing number of gun suicides, that number is beginning to overtake other fatalities like drunk/intoxicated/impaired driving.

It is a people problem but if you get a gun for self protection and you "just strap it on." then go looking for trouble, you will end up in prison.
A few years ago one of my neighbors killed one of my other neighbors over a loud stereo at 5 in the morning. The guy tried to say it was self defense, " he tried to attack me." In Washington state as in many others it is not self defense if you pick the fight. He should have called the cops but he decided to do something about it himself. The argument over a loud stereo ended up with one guy's brains splattered all over the parking lot and the other one in jail.

With a firearm you have a higher standard of culpability.
You need to make sure you keep them away from your kids and stupid people. There has been a rash of kids getting killed by accident with guns. I do not think I have to tell you that those families are going through an unprecedented amount of hell right now. I am not even going to touch on the families that have been affected by suicide, that is a special kind of hurt.

You cannot just whip it out and expect to end a fight. If you use it for protection you had better be sure you are using it as a last resort not just for the sake of the law but for the sake of your conscience, unless you have no conscience.

Just a few things you should keep in mind

If you like guns and are responsible we will get along... If you are irresponsible, how can I make this plain . . . you practically deserve all the fucked up things that will happen to you.
That is just sad.
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GrateSaiyaman wrote:

I'm a gun owner and I have a carry permit. I grew up in an extended family that viewed hunting as a favored recreation. Personally I find that simple rules about gun control are a good thing.

Background checks for all who want to own a gun should be mandatory.

Personally I think you should have to pass a gun safety class and if you plan on using your gun for self protection you should have to pass a test on the laws of lethal force in your state. Many states demand that as a prerequisite to getting a carry permit.

All of these things will do little to stop the ever increasing number of gun suicides, that number is beginning to overtake other fatalities like drunk/intoxicated/impaired driving.

It is a people problem but if you get a gun for self protection and you "just strap it on." then go looking for trouble, you will end up in prison.
A few years ago one of my neighbors killed one of my other neighbors over a loud stereo at 5 in the morning. The guy tried to say it was self defense, " he tried to attack me." In Washington state as in many others it is not self defense if you pick the fight. He should have called the cops but he decided to do something about it himself. The argument over a loud stereo ended up with one guy's brains splattered all over the parking lot and the other one in jail.

With a firearm you have a higher standard of culpability.
You need to make sure you keep them away from your kids and stupid people. There has been a rash of kids getting killed by accident with guns. I do not think I have to tell you that those families are going through an unprecedented amount of hell right now. I am not even going to touch on the families that have been affected by suicide, that is a special kind of hurt.

You cannot just whip it out and expect to end a fight. If you use it for protection you had better be sure you are using it as a last resort not just for the sake of the law but for the sake of your conscience, unless you have no conscience.

Just a few things you should keep in mind

If you like guns and are responsible we will get along... If you are irresponsible, how can I make this plain . . . you practically deserve all the fucked up things that will happen to you.
That is just sad.



These seem like a sensible place to begin as far as regulation goes I mean if you decided to have firearms legal in your country for personal defence purposes. In the UK you can't own a pistol, semi automatic/automatic rifle for any reason, nor can you own a rifle/shotgun for the reason of personal defence you need to specify a specific need (hunting/competition shooting ect) on the licence application. The situations regarding how you can transport and store your firearm change depending on the nature of the weapon and licence you acquire shotguns being the most lenient. The background checks, interviews, medical and psychiatric testing that go along with owning a rifle are significant. I think theres also a barrel length requirement of 24 inches on all firearms (possibly only the shotguns im not sure). I understand these requirements probably appear draconian to most Americans. Likewise to us talk of gun fairs and guns in supermarkets shocks the British. However I actually know very little about the specifics of gun regulation in America and I assume it is probably not quite as easy to obtain a weapon as British media would have us believe. What does current gun restrictions and licencing look like in the US? I understand it varies by state and some specific weapons are flat out banned?
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Posted 3/22/15
it is outdated and there is no reason why someone needs an automatic firing weapon in their home, when the founding fathers made the 2nd amendment, it was for protection and i'm sure they didn't see the technological advancement firearms will make. i think one or two is fine, maybe a pistol and a shotgun but anymore is too much.
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Im all for guns and love the fact that I live in Arizona where I dont have to worry about stupid permits. To me its all about being responsible and respecting the weapon.
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In my state background checks are mandatory as is a permit for conceal carry.I own many guns primarily for hunting and target shooting.I have never supported the NRA's views on gun ownership nor their take on the 2nd amendment.They represent the biggest threat to gun ownership in the US. I'm old enough to remember when their primary focus was safety and not right wing activism.If you use a gun for protection then it should be the last resort and not the first.If you really think somehow you're going to or can effectively defend yourself with your AK/M4 against what you perceive to be unjust government intrusion then i'd just like to ask you if you have any last words now?If that were the case then all the armies of the world would just have automatic small arms.
Posted 3/22/15

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In my state background checks are mandatory as is a permit for conceal carry.I own many guns primarily for hunting and target shooting.I have never supported the NRA's views on gun ownership nor their take on the 2nd amendment.They represent the biggest threat to gun ownership in the US. I'm old enough to remember when their primary focus was safety and not right wing activism.If you use a gun for protection then it should be the last resort and not the first.If you really think somehow you're going to or can effectively defend yourself with your AK/M4 against what you perceive to be unjust government intrusion then i'd just like to ask you if you have any last words now?If that were the case then all the armies of the world would just have automatic small arms.


That's true. We often should go the legal route before we shoot at the government. Hence the Whiskey Rebellion Washington put down. The founding fathers doesn't want us pointing gun at the gov't whenever we don't get our way.
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pirththee wrote:

In my state background checks are mandatory as is a permit for conceal carry.I own many guns primarily for hunting and target shooting.I have never supported the NRA's views on gun ownership nor their take on the 2nd amendment.They represent the biggest threat to gun ownership in the US. I'm old enough to remember when their primary focus was safety and not right wing activism.If you use a gun for protection then it should be the last resort and not the first.If you really think somehow you're going to or can effectively defend yourself with your AK/M4 against what you perceive to be unjust government intrusion then i'd just like to ask you if you have any last words now?If that were the case then all the armies of the world would just have automatic small arms.


That's true. We often should go the legal route before we shoot at the government. Hence the Whiskey Rebellion Washington put down. The founding fathers doesn't want us pointing gun at the gov't whenever we don't get our way.


John Brown at Harper's Ferry would be another example,however the political ramifications of that action far outweighed it's tactical importance.
Posted 3/22/15
There are reasons why firearms should be allowed and reasons why they should not. I am not informed enough on this subject to make a concise decision yet.

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