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Posted 3/22/15

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That pretty much sums up my beliefs for me, thank you.

I'm not a gun owner and have no interest in owning one, but hunting is a big thing in my area and let's face it, deer are evil and deserve to be shot. (Run into the passenger side of my car will you?! Damn you, Bambi...) So I like to think I'm open to responsible gun ownership.

It's a shame that firearms policy seems to be dictated primarily by extremists from both ends of the aisle.
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EDIT: crap I forgot the "E" in "The". That's what happens when you're sleep deprived. xD


It happens. In this case I fixed it for you.

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These seem like a sensible place to begin as far as regulation goes I mean if you decided to have firearms legal in your country for personal defence purposes. In the UK you can't own a pistol, semi automatic/automatic rifle for any reason, nor can you own a rifle/shotgun for the reason of personal defence you need to specify a specific need (hunting/competition shooting ect) on the licence application. The situations regarding how you can transport and store your firearm change depending on the nature of the weapon and licence you acquire shotguns being the most lenient. The background checks, interviews, medical and psychiatric testing that go along with owning a rifle are significant. I think theres also a barrel length requirement of 24 inches on all firearms (possibly only the shotguns im not sure). I understand these requirements probably appear draconian to most Americans. Likewise to us talk of gun fairs and guns in supermarkets shocks the British. However I actually know very little about the specifics of gun regulation in America and I assume it is probably not quite as easy to obtain a weapon as British media would have us believe. What does current gun restrictions and licencing look like in the US? I understand it varies by state and some specific weapons are flat out banned?


The only restrictions are that you need to get a background check if you buy from a store. If you go to a gun show there are no such restrictions that I am aware of. That may vary from state to state.

You cannot own a fully automatic weapon unless you have a special permit from the federal government.... It used to cost about $400 and you had to go through a rigorous background check. Some states like Washington do not allow you to possess a fully automatic weapon regardless.

All rifles and shotguns need to have a barrel length of at least 15 or 16 inches otherwise they are considered illegal. (I don't remember the length anymore.)
A lot of states started to impose their own restrictions on magazine capacity, stock and barrel configurations.... Assault style weapons etc.
(Assault rifles are fully automatic like M-16s and AK-47s, Assault style weapons are AR-15 (semi-automatic M-16) and AKS/SKS (semi-auto AK-47s.)

Some states and cities have there own weapons bans on any or all firearms. Basically you need to know the law before you go and bring any gun to town....

There may have been some things I missed but generally there aren't many restrictions on buying a gun here but there are literally thousands of different gun laws.

The NRA has been one of the biggest complainants about gun laws and legislation. They want fewer restrictions but they advocate that the states should decide unless those states decide they want fewer guns and more restrictions on them.

The NRA has become very reactionary over the last couple of decades, consequently that is the main reason I dropped my membership over a decade ago. I used to contribute to their Legislative action committee and some other fund-raising things but when they decided to advocate against background checks I dropped them like a hot rock. The other nail in the coffin as far as the NRA and I go was, they fired the NRA-president that said it should be mandatory that a person has to pass a safety test to own a gun.... I think that was about 1998 or there about. We don't get along anymore.

As far as carry permits go you can obtain one by simply going to the local courthouse and applying for one. IN Texas I think you can carry without a permit you just cannot be a felon. (I don't know this for sure.) In Washington state you need to pass a background check. In Oregon you need to pass a firearms test and background check. There is reciprocity in some states not in others...(You can carry a concealed weapon in other states with reciprocity.)
Some states you can carry a firearm in a holster or with a sling (Open carry). Washington is one of those states. If you have a concealed weapon/pistol permit you must keep your weapon concealed at all times unless you are using for self-defense. In other-wards you aren't supposed to go flashing your gun if someone gives you shit.... This may be different in other states.
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I do see pros and cons of allowing citizens to own firearms. There are plenty of other countries in which crime rates are low, the government is stable, and citizens are productive without owning guns.

Here, on the other hand, I'm not too sure. People seem to enjoy having their guns and have become too accustomed to owning them. We should have gun regulations that have this in mind.

That being said, I don't think all guns should be openly available to the public. The most efficient models and the most destructive ammunition should be reserved for military use, since their weapons prioritize damage, range, and potency, whereas citizens only require decent stopping power for their self-defense purposes. Hunting guns are deadly but do not need rapid fire or the kind of range that military weapons require.

As technology advances and older models are phased out of military use, citizens may acquire them but only with a proper license and a background check. I think gun owners should have a license to ensure that they have passed a series of courses instructing them on the proper use, care, and safety measures of their guns. Treat guns like cars, pretty much. They are both pretty deadly.

Just my opinion, and it is not a very strong one. I know a few gun enthusiasts who own quite impressive arsenals, but they are very careful with their guns and are not aggressive in nature. I have a shotgun myself but it is from the 60s and I have never fired it.
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I come from a military family. My uncle was a marine during the late days of Vietnam. My grandfather was in the Navy and fought the Japanese in the Pacific during WW2, more accurately in the Philippines. My grandfather before him was in the Army in World War 1, etc., etc. My family grew up with the firearm, hunted with it, target practiced, thank God we have never been in the situation where we've had to defend our home with it, but then again, my relatives have seen war, which is just as horrifying. I guess you can say it's bias that I think owning a firearm is okay, no matter where you live and in what country. It's kinda difficult to own one outside of the U.S., but if you are responsible like how fortunately most of the Gun community is in America, why not own one?

With that said, what are your thoughts about gun ownership, guns, the 2nd Amendment, what have you? I haven't gotten a chance outside of high school to see frankly what the world thinks, so speak your mind!

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

EDIT: crap I forgot the "E" in "The". That's what happens when you're sleep deprived. xD


Your pretense is false. The majority of the gun community in America is far from responsible.
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AirMarshall wrote:

I come from a military family. My uncle was a marine during the late days of Vietnam. My grandfather was in the Navy and fought the Japanese in the Pacific during WW2, more accurately in the Philippines. My grandfather before him was in the Army in World War 1, etc., etc. My family grew up with the firearm, hunted with it, target practiced, thank God we have never been in the situation where we've had to defend our home with it, but then again, my relatives have seen war, which is just as horrifying. I guess you can say it's bias that I think owning a firearm is okay, no matter where you live and in what country. It's kinda difficult to own one outside of the U.S., but if you are responsible like how fortunately most of the Gun community is in America, why not own one?

With that said, what are your thoughts about gun ownership, guns, the 2nd Amendment, what have you? I haven't gotten a chance outside of high school to see frankly what the world thinks, so speak your mind!

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

EDIT: crap I forgot the "E" in "The". That's what happens when you're sleep deprived. xD


Your pretense is false. The majority of the gun community in America is far from responsible.


Other than mass shootings can you back that up with concrete evidence?
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Posted 3/23/15

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ghostwarrior88 wrote:


AirMarshall wrote:

I come from a military family. My uncle was a marine during the late days of Vietnam. My grandfather was in the Navy and fought the Japanese in the Pacific during WW2, more accurately in the Philippines. My grandfather before him was in the Army in World War 1, etc., etc. My family grew up with the firearm, hunted with it, target practiced, thank God we have never been in the situation where we've had to defend our home with it, but then again, my relatives have seen war, which is just as horrifying. I guess you can say it's bias that I think owning a firearm is okay, no matter where you live and in what country. It's kinda difficult to own one outside of the U.S., but if you are responsible like how fortunately most of the Gun community is in America, why not own one?

With that said, what are your thoughts about gun ownership, guns, the 2nd Amendment, what have you? I haven't gotten a chance outside of high school to see frankly what the world thinks, so speak your mind!

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

EDIT: crap I forgot the "E" in "The". That's what happens when you're sleep deprived. xD


Your pretense is false. The majority of the gun community in America is far from responsible.


Other than mass shootings can you back that up with concrete evidence?


Not sure what mass shootings have to do with it. There is zero mandatory knowledge and/or skill testing for weapon ownership. The only civilians that have ever had any formal firearm training are hunters and that depends on the state, CC only requires a course on the laws in your state.

The "responsible gun community" running around with high end AR's, handguns and marksman rifles have usually not been on a hot range with a sober RSO in a formal class by a certified firearms instructor. You end up with situations like in Arizona where and nine year was handed a loaded Uzi, no responsible RSO would have allowed that to take place. Completely preventable, stupid people running the show, poor instructor.

Even at ranges where people have been shooting for decades and everyone is formally trained dudes get flagged, someone loses situational awareness, someone forgets to clear their weapon before moving to check their targets. That's people who have handled and currently are handling weapons professionally, they still make mistakes.

Zero standard of training is used among the general public to determine weapon ownership and usage. The standard isn't low, it's nonexistent.


Couldn't hack it in the military but want to play tough guy with the toys...

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Being an Englishman, I have never understood why people need guns in their homes to protect them; I guess this could be partly biased though seeing as I am not an American.

I have read countless stories about people using their guns in order to protect their property and family from burglars which in the end have lead to either themselves or their family members being shot accidentally. I also feel that many people rely on their firearms when in fact they should be used only as a last resort. I guess these things could be prevented or at least reduced with further education on how to use and look after firearms properly, however.
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I live out in the woods, I share my back yard with bears, and other predators. For the most part we leave each other alone, but its always a good thing to carry a fire-arm with just in case. For those that want to get rid of guns in America, come visit me.. I be happy to let you stay with me a weak, you can take a nice walk in the woods, or ride some dirt bikes. But I like to see how you deal with the wild life that don't seem to keen with leaving you alone.
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As much as I don't want to see guns in the hands of citizens, each person has a right to protect themselves just as long as they are doing so responsibly. As long as the owners pass extremely strict background checks, then I'm fine with it. And then there's the part where it is quite important to enforce really strict gun laws so that they are to be used only when the situation calls for them.
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In my opinion I think it's completely fine as long as you keep it out of the reaches of idiots. There's always going to be those smart people only bringing it out for emergencies like when there's a robber in their house but at the same time there's going to be the dumbarses that think having a live firearm in a picture or showing it off to people will be cool. It's all fun and games until that trigger gets pulled and somebody gets hurt. If you're going to that just use a prop! Heck a BB Gun would be safer. Along with those idiots the people with mental disorders might do something with the gun and that in my head is the absolute worst case scenario. Imagine if he started a mass shooting. The point is you need to keep it well protected and away from children/idiots.Otherwise, in my eyes it's completely fine. as i said in the first sentence.
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I mean look I come from a lonnnnng line of military men, every man except ME has been in the military, and I don't want to say I'm anti-gun but yeah...I'm anti gun.

It's too easy to get a gun. Im not saying legally only, ilegally as well. Street guns are among the top killers in large cities, and if you make buying guns legally easier, that in turn makes it easier for Guy A to go out buy a legal pistol and then sell it illegally to Guy B. Legal gun laws are way too easy it seems to me, especially in the lower half of the US, where it's not nearly strict enough on who can purchase a firearm.

You shouldn't be able to get a gun unless you're a member of law enforcement, that's how I feel. That'll never happen, but that's just how I see it.
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I think the 2nd Amendment is important. I am for gun ownership. Responsible people have every right to carry and protect themselves, as long as they're licensed.
I do believe there should be stricter background checks, so that guns would be difficult for the mentally unstable to attain. People who sell or give guns to criminals, mentally ill, or children should be punished.
I also think people should use it as a last resort if it's on humans. People should be able to physically defend themselves at least a little, if they are not disabled.
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Its always interesting to see/hear different opinions on this topic. I would urge everyone to remember that their opinions are SUBJECTIVE. That is there is no right or wrong answer to whether firearm ownership should or should not be allowed. This very topic i believe is what makes for good debates as most people usually feel strongly one way or the other. That said I personally believe in the 2nd amendment for its original purpose as I understand the best I can. That is not to say my interpretation is correct, but that simply I have not found a convincing argument to change my mind as of yet.

The 2nd Amendment was added so that the people could "bear arms" in the face of oppressive governments and domestic threats. I do agree that there seems to be a group of US gun owners who discuss an armed opposition to the govt, but I indifferent to this group. I live in the US and we have the right to openly voice our opinions, even if its directed towards the govt(with some exceptions of course). We should keep in mind the US was founded on its citizens rebelling against a government that they felt was oppressive and not in their best interest. Who are we to judge those who feel the same way today? The parallel is the same. The area i find Gray about the 2nd amendment is what should be allowed for civilians to posses. Restricting gun ownership to shotguns and handguns seems reasonable if you consider hunting and self defense, but against even a third world militia I am not sure it would be enough. Large caliber weapons (50 cal, 20mm) have no hunting or general self defense applications, but are currently too expensive for the average person to buy. Automatic(full auto) weapons also have no application other then sports or defense against military combatants, these weapons could and do pose a significant threat to the public when in the hands of the wrong person but then again same with Miracle Grow and diesel.

I am disappointed when people who don't like guns bring up mass shootings. These sad events are the results of terrorists both foreign and domestic and do not represent gun ownership as a whole. In EVERY mass shooting in the last 10years that I can recall all shootings were done in high traffic(lots of people) low threat(guns were prohibited, so they had no opposition) areas. One could say that if guns were not available explosives might have been use, and in some cases were. I believe someone also mentioned accidents from civilians, to this I would say that the pretense that only civilians do stupid things with firearms is incorrect. 2011 I believe a soldier on Joint Base Lewis McChord blew his hand off while using a 50cal live round as a chisel, as he struck the primer with a hammer the round exploded(Darwin award ). In today's day and age where as an American I understand much of the world dislikes me because of my freedom, or the results of my countries govt actions. The threat of terrorist attacks are ever present. So I personally would rather be able to defend myself rather than be a victim waiting for the govt. to respond to the threat. Carpe Diem
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