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Posted 3/22/15 , edited 3/22/15

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When you make jokes about rape it puts the idea that rape is funny or somewhat acceptable out there and rapists get self-justification out of it. They get a sense of "oh well they make jokes and talk about raping people, so im normal as well"

joking about rape like it isn't a big deal IS harmful to rape victims whether you find it funny or not, so saying it's not harmful is kinda a stretch.

What part of rape does anyone find funny? please elaborate.


People make jokes out of everything. Not just rape. People make jokes out of murder, and just violence in general. Why shouldn't that be an untouchable subject to joke about either? People joke about euthanasia and it doesn't produce this big of a reaction. Hell, people have made jokes about abortion, and while arguably more controversial than the previous two, it still doesn't get people as sensitive as rape jokes. Rapists aren't going to be deterred by comedians, or anyone in general, refusing to joke about rape. Non-rapists aren't going to suddenly change their morals because people joke about it.

There are plenty of subjects that people joke about that, alone, aren't funny subjects.

I'm not saying rape is in any way funny, but I just feel as if setting it apart from other issues, as one that shouldn't be talked about lightly in any context, only perpetuates its extreme taboo nature, and would likely just continue to prevent victims from coming forward. Yes, it's a horrible thing, but you don't tackle horrible things by not talking about them. Insensitive as it may be to talk about it in a joking sense, it's still better than just shutting it out and refusing to even talk about or acknowledge it.


It is quite regular for victims to avoid coming forward because of the majority of societies light hearted point of view towards rape. Many victims who do come forward are met with "harmless jokes" (that are re-traumatizing and are directed towards them personally), or total disbelief, or even blaming the victim. Hell, one of the very people this topic mentions was indeed making jokes of a rape victim personally, this is very off-putting and not just a "rape joke", it was at the expense of someone else. You guys would likely frown upon violent racist jokes but the moment rape is mentioned it's all fair game?

I'm not saying we can control what people say, we should just be more thoughtful of what we say and the effect it has, instead of just doing or saying anything just for the hell of it.

and you are right in saying you don't tackle important things by not talking about them. Which is why I'm saying there needs to be more discussion on how rape jokes are actually harmful to society. Obviously it's all subjective, this is a forum for discussion duh
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Saying you want to rape a rape victim even in jest is not a joke or satire. No matter what it is making light of rape, which is a serious issue and it is making fun of a victim of traumatic events. If you find these kinds of jokes funny, you're probably a pretty shitty person and are perpetuating "Rape-culture" (look it up and become well-informed).


I think this view is a little too uptight though. First off, I was raped by a girl maybe 6 years ago. I can joke about it now. And I know people that have been raped and I even dated a girl that was raped twice. None of them let it stop them from living life! It's the strength and willpower of the victim that gives power or takes it away from the whole "rape culture", which by the way is total bullshit. It's like the stereotype with terrorists, if you give in to the fear you give the aggressor power.

Second, most comedy is built off of misfortune. Racism, death, affairs, disease, whatever. Do we say making a racist joke or cracking a sarcastic comment about killing someone or something perpetuates those things, no.

Third, rape doesn't have some huge following like a cult any more than other immoral things. Do you think people say rape prayers, eat rape foods, have posters of rape on their walls, watch rape tv and listen to rape radio.... It's too hard to keep track of because people don't report it. It's embarrassing and humiliating. So how do you bring more attention to it? Blow it up bigger by adding culture to it. All this is is an attempt at making the topic of rape a LARGER more tangible thing that can be targeted. It has been going on since the dawn of humanity. Nothing has really changed about it except how much we hear about it due to the interwebz. A large amount of people love lolis, but I've never heard of Loli culture. Or anime culture. Whatever. Stop blowing it out of proportion and laugh a little. Hope this helps "inform" you more.
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Perceptionz wrote:

It is quite regular for victims to avoid coming forward because of the majority of societies light hearted point of view towards rape. Many victims who do come forward are met with "harmless jokes" (that are re-traumatizing and are directed towards them personally), or total disbelief, or even blaming the victim. Hell, one of the very people this topic mentions was indeed making jokes of a rape victim personally, this is very off-putting and not just a "rape joke", it was at the expense of someone else. You guys would likely frown upon violent racist jokes but the moment rape is mentioned it's all fair game?

I'm not saying we can control what people say, we should just be more thoughtful of what we say and the effect it has, instead of just doing or saying anything just for the hell of it.

and you are right in saying you don't tackle important things by not talking about them. Which is why I'm saying there needs to be more discussion on how rape jokes are actually harmful to society. Obviously it's all subjective, this is a forum for discussion duh


Well, of course jokes directed at a particular victim aren't even bad jokes, they're just stupid. I was talking about making jokes in a more general sense with, say, a faceless victim. But let me get away from the direction of trying to defend rape jokes, because though I'm not dead against them, I don't exactly want to defend them. At any rate, I don't see where total disbelief or victim blaming come into this. Terrible things, sure. But I don't see their relation with jokes about rape.

Yes, of course we should be careful about what we say, but I can't help but feel as if being overly careful will cause just as many problems. I mean, even now the subject of rape is such a sensitive subject that if people watch what they say any more than they already do then just what the hell would people even be able to say about it? Even if people are affected by the jokes, I feel as if placing an even bigger censor on what you can say about rape would affect even more people. But hey, I may be wrong. This is just what I think.
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First of all, the Nostalgia Chick video in question is more than four years old now (no, seriously: I found a copy posted on YouTube in January of 2011). Secondly, Lindsay Ellis' videos are still hosted on Channel Awesome, and although she's giving up the Nostalgia Chick handle when she leaves she is still using it in those videos. Her latest video was posted January 15 of this year, and she has announced that her last video for Channel Awesome will be a review of Animorphs. You can check out her videos here:

http://channelawesome.com/category/videos/producers/nostalgia-chick-producers/

Finally, Ms. Ellis explains the situation quite plainly in a blog post she put up on January 10th of this year:

http://namebrandlindsay.com/2015/01/10/farewell-channel-awesome-and-a-pre-emptive-faq/

It turns out that her departure from Channel Awesome is nothing more than a non-dramatic natural parting of ways brought on by differences in direction.

Edit: OP, your passion for victims of rape is understood and respected, but your fact checking needs serious work. If you'd consider that the video you're fomenting about was pulled, and further that its purpose was to call out an inappropriate comment Ms. Ellis had received, I expect you'd understand why I consider this matter to be less controversial than you're making it out to be.
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If you find these kinds of jokes funny, you're probably a pretty shitty person and are perpetuating "Rape-culture" (look it up and become well-informed).


Whoa, I'd be careful there. It's worth remembering that a sense of humour, much like coughing or sneezing, isn't something a person has control over. Having a go for someone laughing at something you don't find funny is as meaningless as having a go at someone for liking a type of food you don't like. I don't condone rape or anything, but if I laugh at some dark humour, that's not me being an ass, that's a natural reflex that nobody has control over, and to claim you do is either a blatant lie or to claim you're superhuman. You keep asking 'What about rape is funny?' but if you want to know I suggest you put some time into researching psychology. Nobody gets to pick and choose 'Oh, I think I'd like to have this sense of humour'.
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Whoa, I'd be careful there. It's worth remembering that a sense of humour, much like coughing or sneezing, isn't something a person has control over. Having a go for someone laughing at something you don't find funny is as meaningless as having a go at someone for liking a type of food you don't like. I don't condone rape or anything, but if I laugh at some dark humour, that's not me being an ass, that's a natural reflex that nobody has control over, and to claim you do is either a blatant lie or to claim you're superhuman. You keep asking 'What about rape is funny?' but if you want to know I suggest you put some time into researching psychology. Nobody gets to pick and choose 'Oh, I think I'd like to have this sense of humour'.


It is an exceedingly sensitive subject, and Ms. Ellis was right to pull the video even if she was pointing out how inappropriate a comment she'd received was by making it. Dark comedy has its place (comedy is, after all, composed of pain and timing), but there are some subjects that are so sensitive that it's better to just leave them sober as a matter of respect.
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Whoa, I'd be careful there. It's worth remembering that a sense of humour, much like coughing or sneezing, isn't something a person has control over. Having a go for someone laughing at something you don't find funny is as meaningless as having a go at someone for liking a type of food you don't like. I don't condone rape or anything, but if I laugh at some dark humour, that's not me being an ass, that's a natural reflex that nobody has control over, and to claim you do is either a blatant lie or to claim you're superhuman. You keep asking 'What about rape is funny?' but if you want to know I suggest you put some time into researching psychology. Nobody gets to pick and choose 'Oh, I think I'd like to have this sense of humour'.


It is an exceedingly sensitive subject, and Ms. Ellis was right to pull the video even if she was pointing out how inappropriate a comment she'd received was by making it. Dark comedy has its place (comedy is, after all, composed of pain and timing), but there are some subjects that are so sensitive that it's better to just leave them sober as a matter of respect.


And to that I say fair enough, but the person you should have a go at is the one telling the joke, not the people laughing.
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No one cares about you edgy people that find 'rape' funny because you have such dark humorz. Keep it to yourselves.
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No one cares about you edgy people that find 'rape' funny because you have such dark humorz. Keep it to yourselves.


Now this is just not needed, and inaccurate. No one is saying they find rape funny. Not even those who are defending the humour. This is about rape jokes and whether they're appropriate. You don't honestly believe there are people in these forums who get their kicks out of laughing at the actual crime of rape, do you?

Demeaning people by calling them edgy and adding you wacky "z" instead of an "s" at the end of humour to imply immaturity doesn't help the discussion.
Posted 3/22/15

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BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Whoa, I'd be careful there. It's worth remembering that a sense of humour, much like coughing or sneezing, isn't something a person has control over. Having a go for someone laughing at something you don't find funny is as meaningless as having a go at someone for liking a type of food you don't like. I don't condone rape or anything, but if I laugh at some dark humour, that's not me being an ass, that's a natural reflex that nobody has control over, and to claim you do is either a blatant lie or to claim you're superhuman. You keep asking 'What about rape is funny?' but if you want to know I suggest you put some time into researching psychology. Nobody gets to pick and choose 'Oh, I think I'd like to have this sense of humour'.


It is an exceedingly sensitive subject, and Ms. Ellis was right to pull the video even if she was pointing out how inappropriate a comment she'd received was by making it. Dark comedy has its place (comedy is, after all, composed of pain and timing), but there are some subjects that are so sensitive that it's better to just leave them sober as a matter of respect.


Let me ask you , if it has its place, where is it ever funny to laugh about rape?


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BlueOni wrote:


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Whoa, I'd be careful there. It's worth remembering that a sense of humour, much like coughing or sneezing, isn't something a person has control over. Having a go for someone laughing at something you don't find funny is as meaningless as having a go at someone for liking a type of food you don't like. I don't condone rape or anything, but if I laugh at some dark humour, that's not me being an ass, that's a natural reflex that nobody has control over, and to claim you do is either a blatant lie or to claim you're superhuman. You keep asking 'What about rape is funny?' but if you want to know I suggest you put some time into researching psychology. Nobody gets to pick and choose 'Oh, I think I'd like to have this sense of humour'.


It is an exceedingly sensitive subject, and Ms. Ellis was right to pull the video even if she was pointing out how inappropriate a comment she'd received was by making it. Dark comedy has its place (comedy is, after all, composed of pain and timing), but there are some subjects that are so sensitive that it's better to just leave them sober as a matter of respect.


And to that I say fair enough, but the person you should have a go at is the one telling the joke, not the people laughing.


When is it normal to laugh about such things?
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What is this, freakin´ tumblr??
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When is it normal to laugh about such things?


What I said was more in response to the 'but there are some subjects that are so sensitive that it's better to just leave them sober as a matter of respect.' point. In other words if someone who is a tad insensitive jokes about rape, they're the person you should have a go at, not the person who laughs. Otherwise it's like seeing someone get punched and having a go at the person who was punched because their moans of pain annoy you. Don't have a go at the person who was punched, have a go at the person who did the punching.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

No one cares about you edgy people that find 'rape' funny because you have such dark humorz. Keep it to yourselves.


Now this is just not needed, and inaccurate. No one is saying they find rape funny. Not even those who are defending the humour. This is about rape jokes and whether they're appropriate. You don't honestly believe there are people in these forums who get their kicks out of laughing at the actual crime of rape, do you?

Demeaning people by calling them edgy and adding you wacky "z" instead of an "s" at the end of humour to imply immaturity doesn't help the discussion.


Just keep it to yourselves. You're not going to greet people with a rape joke or tell one over with a few friends with other friends of friends there are you as if your telling a normal, funny joke. No, the moment before even opening your mouth to say a rape joke a normal person will hesitate as it's inappropriate. Maybe people find it funny as they sit alone in their dimly lit rooms, in which case like I said, who cares, keep it to yourselves.
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Let me ask you , if it has its place, where is it ever funny to laugh about rape?


Never, and I said as much. I said there are some subjects which are so sensitive that as a matter of respect they shouldn't be joked about. I said that dark comedy in general has its place.
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^^ thanks for the clarification.
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