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If she won fair and square by beauty standards of Japan, thats cool with me. But if she won just because she was half black in the name of political correctness, that is where I would have a problem with the issue. I'm not going to convict the judges or the people involved in the selection of the winner to be guilty of one or the other, but seriously, all I ask is for people to just be honest with themselves.
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You can't please everyone. It is basically Miss America 2014 all over again. Well maybe not as bad.
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And who the hell cares? She won, she's a Japanese citizen. Big whoop. Do you want ta fight about it?
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Everyone , thank you for your comments. keep it going!
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Back in the day usually a woman would now represent her country of a a certain ethnicity, which means they genetically expressed their beauty with common dominate traits of that particular area.

However, in modern day society, slowly it is not just about genetic traits any more.
I think it is okay for her to represent Japan. She has stated humbly that she feels that it might make her feel uncomfortable somewhat, but she deserve it. We are in a time of international trade and representation.

I think the board in Japan who voted for her made a difficult decision, but they are choosing to raise awareness and hopefully Japan will slowly become more open about half/mixed citizens. This is good press.
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teallerina wrote:


jordancharacter wrote:

I can't help but facepalm every time I hear something about "Anime characters not looking Japanese".

1. The facial features do look Japanese, also the hair color. Usually Darker hair colors, females have large slightly slanted eyes, males have slanted. Characters are generally short stature.

2. There is no need to give them a Japanese skin color because they are implied being Japanese, unless said otherwise. It's similar to how we know Homer Simpson being white, despite having yellow skin.


If Japanese anime characters really looked Asian, then they would look something along the lines of Mulan from Disney's Mulan or something.

Come now, don't kid yourself. If people did not know anime was from Japan (or even manga) they would think that the characters (vast majority of them) were white, based on the skin color, eye color, hair color, larger eyes, etc. There is nothing in their facial features 98% of the time that makes them look more Asian rather than white. They look like cartoony, exaggerated whites.

Again - they're cartoons, but because of the way they are drawn they look white far more often than not.

And really...characters for example, like Usagi Tsukino from Sailor Moon...look Japanese to you?



Oh yes. Without knowing anything of anime/manga, I would totally think that the above character is Asian, and more so Japanese. I think the blond hair and big blue eyes really scream Asian, don't you agree?

People on this thread need to stop bullshitting themselves, please.


You know, I am so tired of these meaningless debates, so if you want to actual use your brain, this explains it:

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/08/30/guest-post-why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/

And if you want to help your case, I wouldn't reference something from 20 years ago

Posted 3/24/15

jordancharacter wrote:

You know, I am so tired of these meaningless debates, so if you want to actual use your brain, this explains it:

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/08/30/guest-post-why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/

And if you want to help your case, I wouldn't reference something from 20 years ago



You're right, why use something from 20 years ago when pretty much ever single new anime and manga features characters that also look white?

The characters look white 98% of the time.

End of story.
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good for you ariana, and she's really pretty too.
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teallerina wrote:


jordancharacter wrote:

You know, I am so tired of these meaningless debates, so if you want to actual use your brain, this explains it:

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/08/30/guest-post-why-do-the-japanese-draw-themselves-as-white/

And if you want to help your case, I wouldn't reference something from 20 years ago



You're right, why use something from 20 years ago when pretty much ever single new anime and manga features characters that also look white?

The characters look white 98% of the time.

End of story.


Not end of story. If you bothered to read the link, you would know they don't look white ( The photo you posted is what would be used for the stereotypical foreigner in today's anime. Blonde and Blue eyed characters are not usually Japanese now). The link clearly explained why the characters do not look white. Think of it like this: Anime is from Japan. The targeted audience is the Japanese. If they (the targeted audience) see a Japanese character, not a white character, when they watch anime, then the characters are clearly Japanese looking. As I already said, it's the same way with the Simpsons. They are the color yellow, yet everyone recognizes them as white characters, rather than someone with a horrible skin disease.

Very few anime use the Japanese looking character style, and when they do it is considered unique and strange. Flowers of Evil is one example.

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in japanese anime and manga, which is drawn by japanese people, all the characters are white people.


NO.

http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/01/03/why-white-people-think-manga-characters-are-white/
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teallerina wrote:

The characters look white 98% of the time.

End of story.


They look white to you. They look Japanese to the Japanese. End of story.

The explanation is the following: (original source http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html )

A key concept in semiotics is that of “markedness” and “unmarkedness,” elaborated by linguist Roman Jakobson in the 1930s.1 An “unmarked” category is one that is taken for granted, that is so obvious to both speaker and listener it needs no marking. A “marked” category, by contrast, is one that is seen as deviating from the norm, and therefore requires marking. Well-known examples in English are the words “man” and “woman.” “Man” has for a millennium meant both “human being” and “adult male human being.” The word “woman” comes from a compound meaning “wife-man,” and denotes the relationship of the signified to that “unmarked” category, “man.”

In the case of cartooning, of course, we are dealing with drawn representations rather than words, but the concept of “marked/unmarked” is every bit as salient. In the case of the U.S., and indeed the entire European-dominated world, the unmarked category in drawn representations would be the face of the European. The European face is, as it were, the default face. Draw a circle, add two dots for eyes and a line for a mouth, and you have, in the European sphere, a European face. (More specifically, you would have a male European face. The addition of eyelashes would make it female.) Non-Europeans, however, must be marked in drawn or painted representations, just as they commonly are in daily conversation (e.g., “I have this Black friend who…”). […]

It should come as no surprise, then, that Japanese readers should have no trouble accepting the stylized characters in manga, with their small jaws, all but nonexistent noses, and famously enormous eyes as “Japanese.” Unless the characters are clearly identified as foreign, Japanese readers see them as Japanese, and it would never occur to most readers that they might be otherwise, regardless of whether non-Japanese observers think the characters look Japanese or not.



teallerina wrote:
Again - they're cartoons, but because of the way they are drawn they look white far more often than not.

And really...characters for example, like Usagi Tsukino from Sailor Moon...look Japanese to you?


They look white to you because anime characters by default look white to you.

It has to do with where the viewer is from and the environment they're in, rather than how anything is drawn.

When I was a little kid in Taiwan, watching anime on TV in the late 1970s, I saw those characters as Chinese, not white... Because guess what, I was Chinese, growing up in Taiwan...

(Specifically, the anime titles were Gatchaman and Mazinger Z)

Cartoon characters are stylized, not realistic racial representations. There have been anime characters in the past (I think it was Riding Bean or some characters in Gun Smith Cats) that were actually supposed to be white, and drawn with narrower eyes than the rest of the characters............
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^ yea, that
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Who cares about her ethnicity? Girl needs to eat a hamburger or something, too thin for my tastes.
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Lol, Japan... so damn racists
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A beauty contest?Maybe the discussion should move to the obvious issue of overt sexist exploitation.It's interesting to note that demographically the "Japanese" people are slowly going extinct by their own devices.
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