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Utah becomes only state in America to approve death by firing squad.
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Interestingly enough people deliberately missing during firing squad executions is a real thing, it was one of the reasons for the introduction of the conscience bullet system.


which i doubt actually means anything, it is an excuse carried out so the argument can be used later.

you can feel a marked difference between a blank and live round as well, the physics of the 2 things are entirely different.


I believe they used a form of weighted putty bullet to disguise the discrepancy but you are likely right the difference will likely still be felt to someone who's done it a few times.
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personally i dont see why they need people to do it if the only goal is to kill a man.
i believe the reason that things like this is even possible in the US is that the justice system actually hold the belief that punishment in itself is something to strive for.

most other western countries base their justice systems on the assumption of utility.
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oodain wrote:

personally i dont see why they need people to do it if the only goal is to kill a man.
i believe the reason that things like this is even possible in the US is that the justice system actually hold the belief that punishment in itself is something to strive for.

most other western countries base their justice systems on the assumption of utility.


I think largely the logic is on the basis of the metal stress involved especially when dealing with someone who has maintained their innocence throughout the judicial process it gives the executioners a mental out. Its one thing to kill people when you feel personally threatened or when under fire in a war zone, when the person you killing is restrained against a wall it can lead to mental issues very quickly, were simply not very well set-up to kill people. I think its a consequence of our social animal evolutionary path.
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personally believe this is barbaric...
backwards etc.


You mean the dead penalty or dead by gun quad ? Because legal injection seen like the worst of all.


the firing squad. it's not just the prisoner being killed that is affected. the people doing the "firing"... like the effects on those people... wouldn't it twist them or something?

personally believe this is backwards.


The psychological effects on the executioners is one reason why firing squads disappeared decades ago. Incidentally, I think Utah was one of the states that had them before.

That aside, if I were to be executed I'd probably rather be executed by firing squad.
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I see the death penalty in this nation gets more barbaric every day. What's next? Bringing back the guillotine just because it's quick and painless? If Christianity wasn't so widespread across the nation, I could imagine modern day crucifixions as well. I don't understand why so many people insist on moving backwards in society.

I'd rather have a lethal injection (assuming it doesn't get botched) than have my guts splattered on a wall.
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Pathetic, I bet the meathead police over there are all applying to be part of that firing squad.
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I don't really care about these sort of things but if some asshole goes into an elementary school or a mall and starts killing people all willy-nilly or something' unimaginable, then they probably deserve the most Haynes death the justice system can throw at them. If they case is Death By Fire Squad so be it .they do deserve it no?
I mean I personally don't like children dying so when I here a mother or father killing there kids I want to give em pretty grizzly death myself but I digress.
But in my overall opinion some people just really need to die because a world without them is a better world


These topics are just one of those things you either are ok with or not.
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I see the death penalty in this nation gets more barbaric every day. What's next? Bringing back the guillotine just because it's quick and painless? If Christianity wasn't so widespread across the nation, I could imagine modern day crucifixions as well. I don't understand why so many people insist on moving backwards in society.

I'd rather have a lethal injection (assuming it doesn't get botched) than have my guts splattered on a wall.


It has already been proven that a person who is guillotined is conscious for a while afterward. The guillotine also decapitates the criminal, which can be a disturbing sight. I don't consider the guillotine to be humane but my idea of humane is quick, painless, somewhat dignified. You don't strip people naked and shoot them in the head. You don't chop their heads off knowing they will be conscious. THAT would not be humane.

If a person must be killed by the state, the method used should be reliable, quick, painless, and somewhat dignified.

This is why I think it would be a better idea not to use experimental drug cocktails that may or may not cause several minutes of agony. The injection seems favored merely because it causes no visible damage to the outer body. I do not think a small amount of outward damage is humiliating or barbaric, so I am in favor of using anesthesia and hypnotic drugs (reliable methods of putting a person under), then executing them with a reliable physical method, such as bleeding out or destroying the brain.
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In every kind of execution. Someone has to pull the trigger, release the blade, push the button (for lethal injection) or close the contact (electric chair). It's probably very difficult duty, but someone has to do it.

They probably have a system in place so that the one doing it, is sure that they are doing the right thing, and will not feel remorse for it. I can't imagine that they'll put someone in a position of carrying out the execution, if that person felt that they would regret it later.

The person carrying out the execution probably has been given all of the facts, understands why the convicted felon is to be executed, and has no objections to the sentence imposed, and no objections to the death penalty.

Thus, a firing squad is a good choice. Part of the reason Utah approved the firing squad's return, is probably because the drugs used in lethal injection was proving to be unreliable. It's too slow in taking effect. The convicted felon struggles, and goes through a period of dying, before actually dying, and sometimes does not die. They have to administer a second dose. As such, I think manufacture of those specific drugs have been halted by the government. There aren't anymore of those drugs available because of that. At least, that's what I remember from about a year ago.

Bullets, on the other hand, when shot through the heart, is fast acting, and a sure and effective way to end a convicted felon's life.
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If the private sector do not want to sell the drugs for lethal injection or electric chair, then the state have no choice to go back to the old times. Even if the industry will not sell bullets to the state then to the guillotine.
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If the private sector do not want to sell the drugs for lethal injection or electric chair, then the state have no choice to go back to the old times. Even if the industry will not sell bullets to the state then to the guillotine.


It's a good thing bullets are easy to stockpile and not many are needed per execution. I definitely am not okay with the electric chair, though. I'd choose guillotine over chair for reliability, although other methods ought to be used instead.
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I don't really agree with the death penalty, but if we're going to do it I think firing squad is the best way. We need to stop pretending like it's something clean and humane, a person is being killed. It's also quick, painless and probably cheaper. I've also heard lethal injection isn't as painless as they make it look, although I don't know how true that is.
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That's one way to do it. Long as they're being humane about it and aiming for the head.
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For those that don't know this is done with a machine there is only one person who sets off the timer to trigger the weapons. This used to be done with strings and springs to trigger the weapons. Either way it is cruel and inhuman they aim center mass, and is a waste of money. Vengeance which is what this is don't bullshit yourself about it it is justified murder cost more money.

Appeals take time and cost money lots of it. This means you end up with an execution that takes decades and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars if it goes all the way to the supreme court. That doesn't even begin to cover the execution of innocent men and women or folks that are incompetent and aren't culpable for their actions through other reasons such as insanity or mental deficient aren't smart enough to know even right from wrong.

Throwing them in jail and just feeding them until the die of old age cost less and over the long run would actually gives system a chance to correct for those that have been railroaded by the system. Don't tell me it doesn't happen it does. Bunch of cases recently got over turned because of the fact they people accused turned out to be innocent.

The drugs used for lethal injection are no long available on the market in this country no one makes them anymore the states that use this are currently running out this is why we have seen botched injection executions the new drug mix couldn't do th job. So the states that use capital punishment are looking into the history books for humane means of execution there aren't any.
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I'm not a huge fan of committing premeditated murder, so execution methods don't really have a great deal of impact on my day to day life. I can't say I have much of an opinion.

I only think it's worth keeping them somewhat humane for those rare cases of wrongful conviction.
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