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Post Reply The Decline of Gaming?
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I've been reading a lot of threads on CR lately in regards to gaming (Kojima leaving Konami. Opinions/Impressions on FFXV and etc...), and decided I wanted to make a thread to get everyone's opinion on this "controversial" topic of the decline of gaming. So I wanted to know CR whether or not it us as consumers or the companies making the games themselves ruining everything that encompasses gaming as an entity.

Could it be us as consumers having preconceived notions or extremely high expectations for games outside of technical issues that make games seem less than what they were in the past. Or perhaps it's gaming companies such as Activision or Ubisoft milking their main IPs such as Call Of Duty and Assassin's creed with yearly sequels that seem less enjoyable than the last while changing little to nothing in their "winning formulas" for commercial success within these triple A titles. Or once again is it us for buying these games or dare I say not knowing what we really want as consumers overall being hypocritical against the companies we financially support by buying their software regardless even if we don't really enjoy it or say we do at least. Or could it be both sides on equal footing that have both contributed in what can be seen at least as the downfall of gaming as well.

I just want to hear what people have to say about this and what their viewpoints are on this "epidemic". No opinion is right or wrong as we all value and view gaming differently and have probably started playing videogames at different times during different console lifespans as well. But please feel free to take your time to write your 10 cents on this topic I want to hear what everyone of differing opinions has to say about this overall.

Also here's an intriguing opinion on this whole deal as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxhs-GLE29Q
Posted 3/24/15 , edited 3/25/15
What we need is another video game crash.
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Posted 3/25/15

KarenAraragi wrote:

What we need is another video game crash.


No.
Posted 3/25/15

Kerst wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:

What we need is another video game crash.


No.


Then please tell them to finish their games otherwise people will start to feel burn.
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15

KarenAraragi wrote:


Kerst wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:

What we need is another video game crash.


No.


Then please tell them to finish their games otherwise people will start to feel burn.


Depends on the company.
There is a saying
If your product is released without bugs you spent to much time working on it.

Plus if you buy multiple AC games and keep ending up dissapointed it's you're own fault for being a idiot when the game before it sucked and the one before that one sucked and one before that one sucked.
Maybe one day if you touch the hot stove enough you'll learn to stop doing it.

I rented AC 1 when it came out hated it did the same for the second one and hated it so it cost me 10 dollars to not waste $100.
A huge issue is people pirating games however that's not as big of a issue as it was for some companies because several games have and more are coming out with precaustions in their game to prevent it that crackers don't really get around.
The first Arkham game was impossible to complete if it was pirated there are several others game that did this aswell.
Then there are some that added in more hilarious side affects that didn't stop the games completion.
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15
I bought Ori and the Blind Forest yesterday, it is beautiful, the game is wonderful, all is well.

As long as people keep buying the soulless junk military shooter fps of the week they will keep making them. Part of the problem is the multi-player community for these games keeps jumping to the next one (presumably in the faint hope that it wlil give them something anything to keep the experience fresh) rendering the previous games multi-player dead. This with the increasingly throwaways single-player experience feeds the need to always be running the latest iteration of "lets shoot the bag guys for freedom."

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I enjoyed the last generation, as much as I did the 6th. As for this gen, it looks like things are changing sure but mostly in a good way. An the games that have come out so far have been pretty great imo. Yeah I get it, DLC and broken online, even single player games, have been rampant... but many of you must not remember how broken games were in the past as well but unlike today, they didn't get patched.

Gaming is more mainstream, with many great franchises being released every year. I doubt another crash will happen without it coinciding with an economic downfall.
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Sequelization, lack of originality in high profile games and glitches have been common issues with the medium since it gained any sort of mainstream appeal (actually, glitches were always an issue). They're issues that come with any sort of mainstream presence and that every other industry has come across similarly. Of course the industry has other new issues too, like DLC and microtransactions allowing for publishers to more easily milk their consumers.

However looking at them and claiming a net decline in the industry as a whole is short sighted. The industry has improved in a hundred different ways too. Game development and widespread presence for small developers is easier than it's ever been thanks to consoles picking up x86 architecture, making porting easier, and phones giving developers a platform almost everyone has. Japanese games are coming west in bigger numbers than ever before thanks to digital distribution. Indie development is being supported by larger companies far more often. Platform exclusivity outside of first party funded titles is being basically dropped entirely, leading to much more choice for the consumer. DLC can be healthy and prolong the life of a game for a very long time. I could go on.

Also any argument stating an increase or decrease in the overall quality of games based on era is always going to be flawed. Quality is entirely on the individual game.

There isn't a need for another "crash" and the majority of people complaining about the AAA industry need to stop supporting it and try actually experimenting. If Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed bother you with their issues, stop buying them. Plenty of smaller or more unique games are made and even plenty of large AAA titles are great. Generalizing the entire industry on CoD and AC is about as short sighted as it gets.
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15

KarenAraragi wrote:

What we need is another video game crash.





I actually concur with this, a video game crash I would most certainly welcome, as it will purge the industry of the nonsense that is oozing out of the wood works these days.

I'm sick of half-assed games, broken games, free to play (pay to win more like it), micro-transactions,day one patches and DLC exclusives.

Video games have become a joke as of late, and it's a trend that's starting to pick up steam for most of the industry.

Of course there will be a few games that don't confine themselves to the Status Quo (Bloodborne <3), but the vast majority of them will.

Anyways, I don't take video games as serious as I use to, I suppose the harsh realities of life does that to you, but It is still my favorite hobby, and a purge would be welcoming to me.
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I actually concur with this, a video game crash I would most certainly welcome, as it will purge the industry of the nonsense that is oozing out of the wood works these days.

I'm sick of half-assed games, broken games, free to play (pay to win more like it), micro-transactions,day one patches and DLC exclusives.


If you honestly believe the industry crashing would somehow fix these issues, you need to seriously consider what kind of effects a crash would have. Presumably only the most mainstream and easy to get into games would be untouched and that's your Candy Crush Sagas and your Clash of Clans. If you want to condemn the entire industry to the microtransactions and free to play models you're complaining about, then go ahead and wish for a crash, I suppose.

If you're sick of half assed broken games and the free to play model, the last thing you want is an industry crash. A crash isn't a soft reset button for all the issues in the industry, it's a killing of any substance or niche appeal. A crash would kill content created for smaller subcultures or more unique genres while only allowing the mainstream to survive. What you should be doing if you want to stop half assed, broken games or DLC issues is supporting developers who are up to your standards in those departments.


DarkFrostX wrote:
Video games have become a joke as of late, and it's a trend that's starting to pick up steam for most of the industry.

Of course there will be a few games that don't confine themselves to the Status Quo (Bloodborne <3), but the vast majority of them will.

Anyways, I don't take video games as serious as I use to, I suppose the harsh realities of life does that to you, but It is still my favorite hobby, and a purge would be welcoming to me.


Video games are no more a joke than they've ever been. In fact, the sheer size of the industry as a whole means it's something that's demanding more and more relevance in modern culture. Of course it has its issues, but to act like there's any industry without them, especially any this young, is absurd.

Also I'd argue Bloodborne is pretty strongly sticking to the status quo. The Souls series is great, don't get me wrong, but it's a multimillion seller and sticks to a formula. It's not a bad formula by any means, but Bloodborne is hardly a paragon of uniqueness when it's the fourth in a line of similar games from the developer in just six years. To be clear, I think the game looks fantastic and I'll be buying it on release, just saying.

The industry right now has a lot more positives than you seem to give it credit for and an industry crash would be nothing but negative for it. Don't wish away the last 30 years of progress just because Ubisoft released a buggy Assassin's Creed game, please.
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/26/15
I'll tell you what they need to do. They need to port over [email protected] and Love Plus. That will fix everything.
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The main issue is broken and unoptimized games. To name few of the bigger ones. Skyrim, Assassin Creed Unity. That being said games like the new Halo and Driveclub also was completely broke due to match making which did not work at all. sense they are made to be online games. Bugs are fine and bound to happen. How do you release a game with broken multiplayer when you know its the 1 thing people will buy your game for?

But most of the bugs now days are due to the lazy devs. Its honestly unforgivable. And the prices are just way to high for that level of issues. On Skyrim I bought it on PS3 if you watch on youtube at a point game drops to 1fps so you cant even play it. Dumb devs instead of playing there game for QA they did a speed run in a few hours instead..... Otherwise something like that would never of happend. Year later I bought Skyrim again on pc to acturally finish it. I shouldnt have to buy games twice to complete it once.

I Bought AC Unity on pc did the first 2 missions and got sick of the horrendous jaggies and frame rate dips. Honestly gave me motion sickness. Later on I bought Shadow Of Modor and loved it. It played as smooth as butter. So it seems some devs acturally try. Free To Play could also use a revamp. Same with MMORPGS.
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Honestly, I find it pretty hard to blame the big game development companies here. Far too many people whine and moan about all of the awfulness in gaming these days, and then they line up 5 months before something even comes out to pre-order the "next big thing." Game companies exist to make money. Sure, they hopefully do it via making creative, interesting and exciting experiences but that's kind of besides the point in many ways. If you don't like something don't buy it. In fact, don't even play it. Tell people about it but do so in a well reasoned and open minded way. It's not really that complicated.

As far as the general gaming landscape, I find gaming to pretty much be as good as if not better than it ever has been (and I've been playing videogames for some would say far too long). You just need to expand your horizons beyond the big name AAA industry. And it also helps if you accept that not all games need traditional game rules and mechanics (but even if you don't believe in that, you're not going to be too badly served).
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I'm starting to get sick of how hyped up next gen was and all we're doing is clawing for any type of new games even if they're remastered. Seriously most next gen games are either indie games, remastered games, or sequels and don't get me wrong there has been some success but its sad now and days that there aren't too many original ideas. Gaming right now isn't exactly in the golden age considering that there are more arguments about games rather than entertainment from them, but it seems good for indie games rather than AAA games right now so its not completely bad. To sum this up I do think gaming is starting to decline but not as bad as most would think it is because there are some really good titles out now.
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I think their is some guilt on part of developers/publishers as I do think they could push unique titles more heavily, but I say the fault mainly lies with consumers. I think the truth of the matter is there's simply not a lot of interest in unique titles on the side of consumers despite all the complaints about their being a lack of investment in new IPs gamers wil buy games like Assassin's Creed and COD in droves, and when a game that's genuinely unique comes along it can at best hope for a cautiously optimistic glance. Pretty much if you're game isn't a shooter, open world game, or some other oversaturated genre it's difficult to find an audience.

That said I personally don't think gaming is in a decline I believe we are seeing many great games this gen the problem however is gamers have grown impatient and built up this preconceived notion of "what is a next-gen game?" which inevitably results in dissatisfaction or are simply to afraid to move away from their comfort zone and aren't willing to buy something that isn't COD, Metal Gear, etc.
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