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Christianity has nothing directly to do with Japan's complicated and convoluted censorship rules and laws. Originally Japan had little in the way of nudity taboos, and so-called pillow books were common. But as Japan entered the West, they were heavily influenced by Victorian morays, and censorship began because the Western Nations looked at Japan as if it was backwards and primitive because of such matters. Then WWII came, and Japan's constitution and laws were heavily influenced by American morality of the 1940s, 1950s. And it has stayed that way since. Note: This is the public face, as Japan has always had a booming sex industry.

As to anime, it is censored for the same reasons most broadcast TV is censored in much of the world. Uncensored versions of shows are often available to subscribers of AT-X. We almost always get the censored versions for reasons unknown, but that likely have to do with money. Japanese shows usually get their money primarily from DVD/BluRay sales, not advertising, so having uncensored versions to sell on disc is a selling point.

Extreme violence is also subject to censorship, such as the case of Terraformers.
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I wonder if people realize that even porn is censored in japan (except for nipples)
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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

I wonder if people realize that even porn is censored in japan (except for nipples)


Yea, they have weird censorship laws in Japan. In porn, Pubic Hair needs to be censored, yet nothing else does. Why what's so taboo about that of all things lmao?
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AzazelOfNexium wrote:

I wonder if people realize that even porn is censored in japan (except for nipples)


Censored porn never fails to make me laugh. I, for one, would be downright outraged if I saw genitalia while watching people have sex. I don't need that kind of smut in my porn.
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Frenzify wrote:


AzazelOfNexium wrote:

I wonder if people realize that even porn is censored in japan (except for nipples)


Censored porn never fails to make me laugh. I, for one, would be downright outraged if I saw genitalia while watching people have sex. I don't need that kind of smut in my porn.


Lmao exactly, it makes no sense whatso ever.
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THIS


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Sex causes trouble. Violence ends it.

For example :

Wife cheats on husband. Husband gets angry / Wife and lover are left in state of panic. (Chaos)

Husband murders wife and lover. Prison executes husband. (Order)

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Ive been asking this same question to Crunchyroll directly with no definitive answer. All you receive in reply is a generic form letter saying it is beyond there control. It sure would be nice to speak with someone who has a say in these matters. Better yet someone who could actually do something about the elephant in the theater room!
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Le_Dom wrote:


biscuitnote wrote:

Seeing naked bodies offends peoples christian values. Violence on the other hand is integral part of the Christian faith. The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!Nahum 1:2-8 NLT I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)


Except that less than 1% of the japanese population is christian...


Before Japan had contact with the west they were much more sexually open.


Wow, what evidence do you have of this? Are you sure you're not just believing in a past that never actually existed outside of the imagination of contemporary movie and anime makers?

Christianity came to Japan shortly after the first Portuguese merchants about 1550. It enjoyed about a 50 year period of flourishing (Oda Nobunaga associated it with modernity and westernization, both of which he generally supported), before the Tokogawa Shogunate cracked down hard on it. After that, it steadily declined--both in numbers and influence--hitting a nadir during the period when Japan closed itself off from the West almost completely, before rebounding (slightly) into what it is now after Japan reopened itself in the mid-late 1800s.

So, you are arguing that during that 50 year period, over 400 years ago, Japan's centuries old cultural traditions about sex were completely overthrown, and since then have not evolved? Umm, you're going to need to give some sort of evidence, because otherwise that assertion doesn't pass the laugh test.

It's always nice to assert that pre-modern cultures were somehow more sexually liberated. In fact, that's the exception, not the rule. The general trend is for powerful men want to monopolize and lock-up their women--and part of that is forbidding sex outside of cultural institutions that those powerful men control access to (like marriage). That's not just a Christian or a Western thought. Unfortunately, it's human nature.
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This "statement" is just idiotic and incorrect.



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LMFAO.

It is out of their control. Do you think Crunchyroll produces the anime?

They stream what is given to them by the animation companies, they have no control over what is censored and what isn't. The only thing CR does to the video's is adds subtitles and uploads it to the site. Crunchyroll has gone leaps and bounds to try and persuade the production companies to send uncensored versions when the CR community has complained (this is the reason we now have terraformars uncensored); however sometimes stuff doesn't work out.

Most censoring especially for nudity is a form of incentive to buy the BD releases.

Why dont you go message the studios and the Japanese government directly.
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xxJing wrote:

Sex causes trouble. Violence ends it.

For example :

Wife cheats on husband. Husband gets angry / Wife and lover are left in state of panic. (Chaos)

Husband murders wife and lover. Prison executes husband. (Order)


Pfffft.

Decent lawyer gets him to only to do community vservice.
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mnmike wrote:


biscuitnote wrote:


Le_Dom wrote:


biscuitnote wrote:

Seeing naked bodies offends peoples christian values. Violence on the other hand is integral part of the Christian faith. The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!Nahum 1:2-8 NLT I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)


Except that less than 1% of the japanese population is christian...


Before Japan had contact with the west they were much more sexually open.


Wow, what evidence do you have of this? Are you sure you're not just believing in a past that never actually existed outside of the imagination of contemporary movie and anime makers?

Christianity came to Japan shortly after the first Portuguese merchants about 1550. It enjoyed about a 50 year period of flourishing (Oda Nobunaga associated it with modernity and westernization, both of which he generally supported), before the Tokogawa Shogunate cracked down hard on it. After that, it steadily declined--both in numbers and influence--hitting a nadir during the period when Japan closed itself off from the West almost completely, before rebounding (slightly) into what it is now after Japan reopened itself in the mid-late 1800s.

So, you are arguing that during that 50 year period, over 400 years ago, Japan's centuries old cultural traditions about sex were completely overthrown, and since then have not evolved? Umm, you're going to need to give some sort of evidence, because otherwise that assertion doesn't pass the laugh test.

It's always nice to assert that pre-modern cultures were somehow more sexually liberated. In fact, that's the exception, not the rule. The general trend is for powerful men want to monopolize and lock-up their women--and part of that is forbidding sex outside of cultural institutions that those powerful men control access to (like marriage). That's not just a Christian or a Western thought. Unfortunately, it's human nature.




The sheer amount of ignorance spouted in regard to Japanese culture and history by those always blaming "the West" is unfortunate. Its like, fine, the only thing they are interested in are the half naked cartoon girls, but please don't pretend to actually be some authority on anything to do with the actual country and its people.
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I agree with the OP full heartily.

It's a ridiculous double standard that needs to be changed. However, the major problem is the older generations that were so sheltered and were raised more conservative (mind you, I'm not taking a shot at Republicans, this includes older democrats too) in their ideals that are thinking, "Protect the children! We need to hide ourselves from the bad things!" When really they aren't protecting or saving shit.

We live in a new age where everything can be found on the internet. It's best to not try to shelter people from the realities of the world, but rather accept it and prepare yourself for it. You can't hide, no matter what you do, it's best to just comfort it.

Censoring nudity makes absolutely no sense in this day and age. Violence I'd argue is even more disturbing than nudity or consensual sexual acts. All it is, is older generations desperately trying to hold on to their old morals and values.

Change is gonna come. We are way more progressive these days and once my generation and some others get older, how we view the world will be much different and probably laxer. Though I hope change comes sooner than later.


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yet anime that are so brutal, it puts even the most messed up live action horror films to shame, are not.


I beg to differ. Live action makes it look more real because.... it's live action, thus making it more disturbing. I'm a fiend when it comes to the horror genres so trust me when I say the most brutal anime doesn't compare to the most brutal live action movie.

You sir should watch The Collector and tell me you still feel this way.


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mike3391 wrote:

there are a lot of kids using CRUNCHY.....


Yes but if the kid uses their Actual age when registering for the site then Crunchyroll blocks all the mature content shows.



^^ This is true. Also, children (12 and under) shouldn't even be on this site without a parent's consent.
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maxgale wrote:

The sheer amount of ignorance spouted in regard to Japanese culture and history by those always blaming "the West" is unfortunate. Its like, fine, the only thing they are interested in are the half naked cartoon girls, but please don't pretend to actually be some authority on anything to do with the actual country and its people.


Well said sir, well said.

It's always the West's fault. We are horrible people and should feel ashamed to be associated with them!
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Wow, what evidence do you have of this? Are you sure you're not just believing in a past that never actually existed outside of the imagination of contemporary movie and anime makers?

Christianity came to Japan shortly after the first Portuguese merchants about 1550. It enjoyed about a 50 year period of flourishing (Oda Nobunaga associated it with modernity and westernization, both of which he generally supported), before the Tokogawa Shogunate cracked down hard on it. After that, it steadily declined--both in numbers and influence--hitting a nadir during the period when Japan closed itself off from the West almost completely, before rebounding (slightly) into what it is now after Japan reopened itself in the mid-late 1800s.

So, you are arguing that during that 50 year period, over 400 years ago, Japan's centuries old cultural traditions about sex were completely overthrown, and since then have not evolved? Umm, you're going to need to give some sort of evidence, because otherwise that assertion doesn't pass the laugh test.

It's always nice to assert that pre-modern cultures were somehow more sexually liberated. In fact, that's the exception, not the rule. The general trend is for powerful men want to monopolize and lock-up their women--and part of that is forbidding sex outside of cultural institutions that those powerful men control access to (like marriage). That's not just a Christian or a Western thought. Unfortunately, it's human nature.


But Japan was much more sexually open in the past, although the time frame you quoted is a bit off. True, they came in contact with the West in the 1500s, but they weren't truly open to the West until the Meiji Restoration in the late 1870s, and that's when the prudishness got imported. Contact with a couple Christian merchants wasn't going to change Japanese cultural traditions, but Japan wanting to become a world power would. It's a very image-obsessed country, so it wanted to be respected. Unfortunately, the nations it wanted to be respected by (the West) were much more prudish and saw Japan as backwards with regards to cultural attitudes towards sex. So Japan tried to "fix" this "backwardness," which did take some time, but you can definitely see the effects.

As for evidence, you can look at the abundance of classical Japanese art that many would consider pornography today (even tentacle porn, see The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife ). So, so many pornographic woodblock prints (which started to decline around the end of the 19th century, coinciding with Japan's new openness). You can look at the sheer amount of sex in The Tale of Genji , one of the oldest and most influential Japanese novels (and in several other books written around that time). And you can look at mixed bathing, which no one had a problem with until the West told them it was wrong, and then it was banned. This isn't to say pre-Meiji Japan was some sort of free-love paradise, but in general pre-Meiji attitudes towards sex were more similar to, say, modern Europe than modern Japan.

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