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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15
Is this a complete sentence?


Certainly, not this incident.


Can you break it down?
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15

DeadlyOats wrote:

Is this a complete sentence?


Certainly, not this incident.


Can you break it down?


You might also need a spelling nazi (grammar not gramar)

Your quoted statement is not a sentence because it has no verb.

However, depending on context it might have an implied verb.

I'm too lazy to say more than that.

Also, I'm moving this to the Advice, Info forum since you haven't said anything in the opening post to give reason for it being a discussion topic.
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It depends on what context you're using it in. Is it a reply or a statement? If you take out the comma and elaborate on the clause, it should be fine.
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It's not even a clause because it's lacking a predicate.
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15
How about this?


This is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly, not this incident.


Context was added. Is it still an incomplete sentence?
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15
Grammar, after all, is like courtesy: it requires context. In certain contexts (e.g. a boxing ring during a match) it is perfectly appropriate to punch someone in the face, but in other contexts it is neither legal nor appropriate. In the same way, some sentences are legal and appropriate in certain contexts, but not in others.

If you take out the comma and assume that "this" refers to an appropriate antecedent (i.e. a previously described incident), then it could be a complete and legal sentence--but only within that context. Lacking context, it is not.

The problem with the longer version is that we still don't know what "this" is. In general, using multiple usages of the word "this" to refer to the same thing is frowned upon... but again, it would depend on exactly what we are talking about.

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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15
So, then this is what should have been done?


This is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly not this incident.


Or rather, this?


This incident is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly not this incident.
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DeadlyOats wrote:

How about this?


This is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly, not this incident.


Context was added. Is it still an incomplete sentence?

It's still not but if you add a semi-colon, yes it will be.

This is not something for which you can blame them; certainly, not this incident.
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I would merge the two clauses. As it is the second clause isn't required and adds little to the statement. This might work better:


Certainly, this incident is not something for which you can blame them.
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Posted 3/25/15 , edited 3/25/15

DeadlyOats wrote:

So, then this is what should have been done?


This is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly not this incident.


Or rather, this?


This incident is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly not this incident.


Vempy wrote:

I would merge the two clauses. As it is the second clause isn't required and adds little to the statement. This might work better:


Certainly, this incident is not something for which you can blame them.


I was thinking something similar, but was feeling it doesn't actually retain the same meaning. When I read "This is not something for which you can blame them. Certainly not this incident" I get the impression that "This" is some general class of something--so that a broad statement is being made about a category. But adding "Certainly not this incident" implies that even if there's some doubt about the truth/accuracy of the first statement about the general category, that for this specific incident the statement "not something for which you can blame them" is true.
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That is a valid point. I think It might be beneficial to have more elaboration than just the preceding sentence to understand the whole context of "this incident". The problem with "this" is the ambiguity it creates further down the line.

I write technical reports quite a bit and have developed a bias toward being concise wherever possible.
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Jedi can't spell, nor use proper grammar.


My fellow Jedi's, are time has come.


Did you mean, "our"?

I'm glad I attended the Sith Academy on Korriban. It's a much better education. Incidentally, Sith can't be blamed for everything. Certainly not this incident. However, I can see how ISIS may have its uses..... Hmmmm.....


This is what made me ask the question. I called the OP of that thread on his spelling and grammar. However, I then began to question my own grammar. That's what brought this on. Now you have the whole story. Someone else called him on his improper pluralization of "Jedi's." So, I didn't mention it.
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DeadlyOats wrote:


DeadlyOats wrote:

Jedi can't spell, nor use proper grammar.


My fellow Jedi's, are time has come.


Did you mean, "our"?

I'm glad I attended the Sith Academy on Korriban. It's a much better education. Incidentally, Sith can't be blamed for everything. Certainly not this incident. However, I can see how ISIS may have its uses..... Hmmmm.....


This is what made me ask the question. I called the OP of that thread on his spelling and grammar. However, I then began to question my own grammar. That's what brought this on. Now you have the whole story. Someone else called him on his improper pluralization of "Jedi's." So, I didn't mention it.


Oh, I think you're good there. Forums are an informal medium, and what you wrote doesn't seem awkward; to me it seems clear and the implied info can easily be substituted in. Sith can't be blamed for everything. Certainly [it (or they) can] not [be blamed for] this incident. You don't need to say it out completely.

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DeadlyOats wrote:

Is this a complete sentence?


Certainly, not this incident.


Can you break it down?


It would be appropriate were it "Certainly not this incident." The sentence features an unnecessary comma. It's a crime which I am frequently guilty of committing when writing casually.
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