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Post Reply Do you feel like wearing other cultures' garments is a violation of their intimate customs?
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Posted 3/26/15

BlueOni wrote:

The closest thing to (read: not actually) a representative of every single Japanese person in the world is the emperor, and that's only because he's the head of state. Am I supposed to send an application to the emperor before I don a kimono? Is there a fee? Or (as is more likely) is the notion of "seeking permission of the native culture" before doing something one which is not only asinine, but borderline racist in itself for assuming such a thing is even possible?

There's being sensitive to important cultural institutions, and then there's this crap.


Fuck the emperor!

I'm white and american and I DEMAND recompense for countless years of being depicted in anime as blonde haired and blue eyed (even if that part is correct), and outlandishly optimistic (which I most certainly am not), oafish, and with a propensity to be one of the first characters to die!
Posted 3/27/15
I wear what I want and don't care what people think.
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Posted 3/27/15 , edited 3/27/15

AzazelOfNexium wrote:

No, not in the least.

Why the fuck are people so "herp derp, that offends me"

Jesus christ, no one cares what you wear, if you like wearing it, then wear it.

When people come to the Bahamas and wear our local clothing no one says "oh wow, what a bitch, totally appropriating our culture". The clothing is made to be worn.


Sometimes (all the time now, actually), I wonder if more people than in the past are actually just so sheltered and coddled that they don't know what real problems are and grow up to be unreasonably sensitive. It's like they delve so deep into things that they start digging up issues that are slight problems if problems at all. They mine for problems and forget what the real world at the surface is actually like.

Is it trendy to do this? I see nearly as many people in other countries acting like that.
Posted 3/27/15
Depends on the garment. But I guess i'm not aware of any off-hand which I would consider "inappropriate" to wear as is. If the garment has religious significance, then I might be inclined to think this. Or if the garment has deep symbolic meaning.

Imagine if you were to just go walking around in, say, a garment that's actually funeral attire in another culture. I might say that's kind of disrespectful ~ but I wouldn't get all up in arms about it.

As long as one realizes that they have no stock in the culture and are basically just dressing up in cosplay, then I think it's fine.

On a personal level though ~ I agree with the person who said that they would never wear, say, a kimono (or whatever the male equivalent is) unless I was invited to. For me though, that's just because I can't think of a scenario in which it wouldn't be utterly ridiculous for me to wear something like that unless it was out of respect or interest for Japanese culture. Or, like I said, some kind of cosplay.
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Posted 3/27/15
It depends on what, where ,when, and how.
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Posted 3/27/15

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I've never heard of Japanese people getting angry/uncomfortable seeing Westerners in kimonos, or Westerners themselves getting mad at Asians for wearing blue jeans and T-shirts. But that's just me.
The effect isn't the same. The comparison that was made demonstrates this. To say that t-shirts and jeans are a western or "non-japanese" thing is quit narcissistic when you know it's generally accepted as casual wear in not just the west. Regular shirts and pants are different from cultural garments. It's less okay to act like an asshole in the latter.
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Posted 3/27/15
Just no. Some tribes of central America even have copyright's of their clothes, said that, in education and culture recreation have issues with this.
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The effect isn't the same. The comparison that was made demonstrates this. To say that t-shirts and jeans are a western or "non-japanese" thing is quit narcissistic when you know it's generally accepted as casual wear in not just the west. Regular shirts and pants are different from cultural garments. It's less okay to act like an asshole in the latter.


I have to admit it was a pretty bad example. I couldn't really think of any other clothing garment developed in the U.S.; we're kind of boring. There are Native American influences people wear every day though, such as tribal prints and dreamcatcher accessories like earrings.
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Consent from the native culture? Pyyh, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while. It's like saying I can't eat Japanese food unless it's cooked and served by Japanese natives. If you ask me, culture is something that's meant to be enjoyed and explored. That includes trying everything yourself. If we start restricting this, what point would cultures have anymore?

Wearing the outfit isn't a violation of anything. Purposefully doing it in a disrespectful way is. This applies to most things in this world not just cultural garments.
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I have to admit it was a pretty bad example. I couldn't really think of any other clothing garment developed in the U.S.; we're kind of boring. There are Native American influences people wear every day though, such as tribal prints and dreamcatcher accessories like earrings.
Maybe if enough people dressed up as Christoper Columbus it'll eventually become a fashion fade, like high cut bathing suits.
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Like if the outfit has some sort of religous value, or ceremonial (I.E only worn on this special occasion) than yeah I can understand why,
or its done improperly/mis used than yeah I can see why people get offended,

yes on the internet (and in reallife) people get too offended too easily,
but people also are getting too fed up with it all. people need to understand their needs to be respect for certain things, and not everything is a simply "whatever" moment
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Posted 3/27/15 , edited 3/27/15

rosebudpony wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:

The effect isn't the same. The comparison that was made demonstrates this. To say that t-shirts and jeans are a western or "non-japanese" thing is quit narcissistic when you know it's generally accepted as casual wear in not just the west. Regular shirts and pants are different from cultural garments. It's less okay to act like an asshole in the latter.


I have to admit it was a pretty bad example. I couldn't really think of any other clothing garment developed in the U.S.; we're kind of boring. There are Native American influences people wear every day though, such as tribal prints and dreamcatcher accessories like earrings.


Well, they do have French maid outfits and longcoats and other such clothing but nobody complains about those being worn improperly. I'm thinking that ceremonial or symbolically significant outfits being worn by "outsiders" causes more of an outrage. I think the root of this anger is the perception that outsiders do not understand the customs and, therefore, improperly don such attire.

Perhaps wearing things appropriately and sensibly is the best route. And if there is a hard question about whether or not to wear something that doesn't seriously affect you, then it is probably best to take the safer route of not wearing it to minimize the risk. Especially if you know you will be around people who consider the outfit to be culturally significant. For instance, don't wear a Indian headdress you got from a Halloween costume store and go visit the Native Americans.
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Posted 3/27/15
I can't wear my own culture's garments because it feels awkward not to use them formally. I don't think that it should be the case but it does feel that way. It's like an irrational fear. It's not something that I feel should happen but it does
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Posted 3/27/15
i don't see the problem of people from different ethnicity wearing kimono and what-not
unless of course, it's done in a way that's insulting to the culture (people always find a way to insult others no matter what)
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Posted 3/27/15
It doesn't really matter what YOU guys think and what YOU feel is okay and isn't--if the third party or another person deems it offensive I don't see why you have to argue about it. Treating it as a fashion statement is offensive and there are articles and articles about cultural appropriation. Again, in the end, it doesn't matter whether or not you think it's offensive lol if it's offensive to the culture don't try to be a smartass and argue ooooh but it's respectful and I just appreciate their culture
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