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Dignity and disgrace are harmful concepts and are socially constructed.
Posted 3/29/15 , edited 3/29/15
Let's face it, they are. Its set up like this. You don't fit in, you're out. You are on your own. You've make your own bed, you're fucked. Just kill yourself. Do it. You're marked bitch. You're Cain. Wander off. Nobody will touch you, or miss you.

I hate the way society is run. Cliqs , wolfpacks , gangs, corporations, its all oppressive shite. Nowadays code whoring is the new kingdom of zeal, the enlightened ones, and the earthbound ones. You don't know magic? Bitch, get your ass off my floating continent~ If only it were innate superiority that makes the distinction, there'd be more dignity in knowing it.

Make no mistake, it's not about art or skill, or order, decency, or respect, its about conformity, control, desire, motivation, and putting on a good show. Display. Rigid rule followers, I am a woman goddamn it and its not just about slut-shaming, dictate who we are and set standards we otherwise would not care about. Its not a skill I want !

When Honor and integrity get lost by nonconformists, life is too damn short, you don't exactly get that shit back. Over Illusions!!! Its all FAKE!!!!

Silence me assholes, silence me. We all hate the First Amendment, but I hate Oppression, false pretenses and so there!

Well, whatever. I don't see whats so special about false pretenses.

Agree, disagree, bitches, its a free country. Not looking to make friends. Discuss.

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Complete freedom is a great ideal but, functionally, it doesn't work. Therefore, limiters must be put into place to prevent people from trampling all over one another. We see it happening even with laws and societal standards in place. Human violence is at an all-time low and there are still some pretty severe issues. How much worse it would be if people are allowed to do literally anything they wish to do.

In order for a group to protect you, you must pay the cost by following its rules. It isn't free. Sort of like how you follow others' household rules whenever you go to someone else's house. The outdoors is just beyond the threshold and you are free to go there if the desire to not follow the rules compels you to.

Of course these concepts are socially constructed. But just because they are intangible does not mean they are without value. Human beings are inherently social creatures so the normal and natural instinct is to gather together for protection and other benefits. This behavior is not exclusive to humans. Animals like wolves also have their own sets of rules that may vary depending on which pack you are studying.
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I hate the way society is run. Cliqs , wolfpacks , gangs, corporations, its all oppressive shite. Nowadays code whoring is the new kingdom of zeal, the enlightened ones, and the earthbound ones. You don't know magic? Bitch, get your ass off my floating continent~ If only it were innate superiority that makes the distinction, there'd be more dignity in knowing it.


Thats a chrono trigger reference right?

Anyway I agree with you Im not a fan of how we live in a society that runs us down into are grave and expects us to fit in. But were stuck with it. Its fucked up but were stuck with it and we should do the best we can to make each others lives as comftorable and as meaningful as we can. Personally im a weirdo and im lucky enough that I have a group of friends who respect my weird outlook on life. I really dont have people who expect me to fit in any way.

That being said I think its presumptuous and judgy if the weirdos turn around and judge the people who do conform. There not bad people nor are they stupid people. There just living life as "normal" a life as any one individual can live.
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Bah. I need some tea, that is all.
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what dat mean
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Ima just go with what Morbidhanson said.

I usually learn from or agree with him, except for when it comes to the creepy crawly creatures.
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I live by my own rules.
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Aeolist wrote:

Let's face it, they are. Its set up like this. You don't fit in, you're out. You are on your own. You've make your own bed, you're fucked. Just kill yourself. Do it. You're marked bitch. You're Cain. Wander off. Nobody will touch you, or miss you.

I hate the way society is run. Cliqs , wolfpacks , gangs, corporations, its all oppressive shite. Nowadays code whoring is the new kingdom of zeal, the enlightened ones, and the earthbound ones. You don't know magic? Bitch, get your ass off my floating continent~ If only it were innate superiority that makes the distinction, there'd be more dignity in knowing it.

Make no mistake, it's not about art or skill, or order, decency, or respect, its about conformity, control, desire, motivation, and putting on a good show. Display. Rigid rule followers, I am a woman goddamn it and its not just about slut-shaming, dictate who we are and set standards we otherwise would not care about. Its not a skill I want !

When Honor and integrity get lost by nonconformists, life is too damn short, you don't exactly get that shit back. Over Illusions!!! Its all FAKE!!!!

Silence me assholes, silence me. We all hate the First Amendment, but I hate Oppression, false pretenses and so there!

Well, whatever. I don't see whats so special about false pretenses.

Agree, disagree, bitches, its a free country. Not looking to make friends. Discuss.



you are insane, incoherent. Casting out those that are different is reality and not just something that exists in humans. Don't like humans, fine I am with you all the way, I personally prefer them to most humans.

what you seem to desire is anarchy which would get you gang raped.


And with all due respect if you are going to be a bitch be a coherent one places.
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I'm sorry I don't recognise that language can someone translate for me please?
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Morbidhanson wrote:

Complete freedom is a great ideal but, functionally, it doesn't work. Therefore, limiters must be put into place to prevent people from trampling all over one another. We see it happening even with laws and societal standards in place. Human violence is at an all-time low and there are still some pretty severe issues. How much worse it would be if people are allowed to do literally anything they wish to do.

In order for a group to protect you, you must pay the cost by following its rules. It isn't free. Sort of like how you follow others' household rules whenever you go to someone else's house. The outdoors is just beyond the threshold and you are free to go there if the desire to not follow the rules compels you to.

Of course these concepts are socially constructed. But just because they are intangible does not mean they are without value. Human beings are inherently social creatures so the normal and natural instinct is to gather together for protection and other benefits. This behavior is not exclusive to humans. Animals like wolves also have their own sets of rules that may vary depending on which pack you are studying.


I agree with what you're saying, but it seemed to me that the OP was speaking more about certain factors that don't have any impact on the safety or productivity of society as a whole. Things like the stigma attached to homosexuals or guys with long hair rather than rules against drunk driving or a doctor working without gloves. I could be wrong, however; the original post was a bit hard for me to follow.

It seems to me, however, that people who feel they are outside of the majority often have the same types of biases as those "on top." Whether it's a straight man that thinks he's better than the gay man, or a gay man that thinks he's better than pedophile, or a pedophile that thinks he's better than a bigot: I see very little difference. People want to feel special, like they're better than someone else or some group for whatever reason. In reality, we're all people and we aren't special - at least in the sense that one is more important or superior to another.
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Schmooples wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

Complete freedom is a great ideal but, functionally, it doesn't work. Therefore, limiters must be put into place to prevent people from trampling all over one another. We see it happening even with laws and societal standards in place. Human violence is at an all-time low and there are still some pretty severe issues. How much worse it would be if people are allowed to do literally anything they wish to do.

In order for a group to protect you, you must pay the cost by following its rules. It isn't free. Sort of like how you follow others' household rules whenever you go to someone else's house. The outdoors is just beyond the threshold and you are free to go there if the desire to not follow the rules compels you to.

Of course these concepts are socially constructed. But just because they are intangible does not mean they are without value. Human beings are inherently social creatures so the normal and natural instinct is to gather together for protection and other benefits. This behavior is not exclusive to humans. Animals like wolves also have their own sets of rules that may vary depending on which pack you are studying.


I agree with what you're saying, but it seemed to me that the OP was speaking more about certain factors that don't have any impact on the safety or productivity of society as a whole. Things like the stigma attached to homosexuals or guys with long hair rather than rules against drunk driving or a doctor working without gloves. I could be wrong, however; the original post was a bit hard for me to follow.

It seems to me, however, that people who feel they are outside of the majority often have the same types of biases as those "on top." Whether it's a straight man that thinks he's better than the gay man, or a gay man that thinks he's better than pedophile, or a pedophile that thinks he's better than a bigot: I see very little difference. People want to feel special, like they're better than someone else or some group for whatever reason. In reality, we're all people and we aren't special - at least in the sense that one is more important or superior to another.


I attribute much of this to the complexity of human thought and the uniquely human ability to create written records. We conjure up more numerous and more complicated factors than wolves because of our greater mental capacity and heightened brainpower. We also have a tendency to follow tradition because it's efficient to not have to re-discover how to do stuff every generation. Human knowledge piles and piles as new generations contribute to the stack. That's how technology became as advanced as it is today.
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Morbidhanson wrote:


Schmooples wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

Complete freedom is a great ideal but, functionally, it doesn't work. Therefore, limiters must be put into place to prevent people from trampling all over one another. We see it happening even with laws and societal standards in place. Human violence is at an all-time low and there are still some pretty severe issues. How much worse it would be if people are allowed to do literally anything they wish to do.

In order for a group to protect you, you must pay the cost by following its rules. It isn't free. Sort of like how you follow others' household rules whenever you go to someone else's house. The outdoors is just beyond the threshold and you are free to go there if the desire to not follow the rules compels you to.

Of course these concepts are socially constructed. But just because they are intangible does not mean they are without value. Human beings are inherently social creatures so the normal and natural instinct is to gather together for protection and other benefits. This behavior is not exclusive to humans. Animals like wolves also have their own sets of rules that may vary depending on which pack you are studying.


I agree with what you're saying, but it seemed to me that the OP was speaking more about certain factors that don't have any impact on the safety or productivity of society as a whole. Things like the stigma attached to homosexuals or guys with long hair rather than rules against drunk driving or a doctor working without gloves. I could be wrong, however; the original post was a bit hard for me to follow.

It seems to me, however, that people who feel they are outside of the majority often have the same types of biases as those "on top." Whether it's a straight man that thinks he's better than the gay man, or a gay man that thinks he's better than pedophile, or a pedophile that thinks he's better than a bigot: I see very little difference. People want to feel special, like they're better than someone else or some group for whatever reason. In reality, we're all people and we aren't special - at least in the sense that one is more important or superior to another.


I attribute much of this to the complexity of human thought. We conjure up more numerous and more complicated factors than wolves because of our greater mental capacity and heightened brainpower. We also have a tendency to follow tradition because it's efficient to not have to re-discover how to do stuff every generation. Human knowledge piles and piles as new generations contribute to the stack. That's how technology became as advanced as it is today.


Very true, but that doesn't make the blind acceptance of idea that came before correct or proper. In fact, many of our modern ideas came about because people dared to question what was accepted as true (e.g. heliocentric ideas, the theory of evolution, et cetera). With language, it has become easier to pass ideas on to future generations, but also to revert back to older ways of thought if it were to prove necessary. As such, there is very little - or nothing, even - to lose from challenging the status quo.

It should be a simple enough matter to question things and arrive at an understanding of why things are the way they are, or if a reason fails to emerge, to try to find other methods.
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Schmooples wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:


Schmooples wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:

Complete freedom is a great ideal but, functionally, it doesn't work. Therefore, limiters must be put into place to prevent people from trampling all over one another. We see it happening even with laws and societal standards in place. Human violence is at an all-time low and there are still some pretty severe issues. How much worse it would be if people are allowed to do literally anything they wish to do.

In order for a group to protect you, you must pay the cost by following its rules. It isn't free. Sort of like how you follow others' household rules whenever you go to someone else's house. The outdoors is just beyond the threshold and you are free to go there if the desire to not follow the rules compels you to.

Of course these concepts are socially constructed. But just because they are intangible does not mean they are without value. Human beings are inherently social creatures so the normal and natural instinct is to gather together for protection and other benefits. This behavior is not exclusive to humans. Animals like wolves also have their own sets of rules that may vary depending on which pack you are studying.


I agree with what you're saying, but it seemed to me that the OP was speaking more about certain factors that don't have any impact on the safety or productivity of society as a whole. Things like the stigma attached to homosexuals or guys with long hair rather than rules against drunk driving or a doctor working without gloves. I could be wrong, however; the original post was a bit hard for me to follow.

It seems to me, however, that people who feel they are outside of the majority often have the same types of biases as those "on top." Whether it's a straight man that thinks he's better than the gay man, or a gay man that thinks he's better than pedophile, or a pedophile that thinks he's better than a bigot: I see very little difference. People want to feel special, like they're better than someone else or some group for whatever reason. In reality, we're all people and we aren't special - at least in the sense that one is more important or superior to another.


I attribute much of this to the complexity of human thought. We conjure up more numerous and more complicated factors than wolves because of our greater mental capacity and heightened brainpower. We also have a tendency to follow tradition because it's efficient to not have to re-discover how to do stuff every generation. Human knowledge piles and piles as new generations contribute to the stack. That's how technology became as advanced as it is today.


Very true, but that doesn't make the blind acceptance of idea that came before correct or proper. In fact, many of our modern ideas came about because people dared to question what was accepted as true (e.g. heliocentric ideas, the theory of evolution, et cetera). With language, it has become easier to pass ideas on to future generations, but also to revert back to older ways of thought if it were to prove necessary. As such, there is very little - or nothing, even - to lose from challenging the status quo.

It should be a simple enough matter to question things and arrive at an understanding of why things are the way they are, or if a reason fails to emerge, to try to find other methods.


True. But some people take that to mean you should question everything, not listen to anyone, and brazenly break all the rules. This is more damaging than beneficial. As with everything, there must be balance.
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Very true, but that doesn't make the blind acceptance of idea that came before correct or proper. In fact, many of our modern ideas came about because people dared to question what was accepted as true (e.g. heliocentric ideas, the theory of evolution, et cetera). With language, it has become easier to pass ideas on to future generations, but also to revert back to older ways of thought if it were to prove necessary. As such, there is very little - or nothing, even - to lose from challenging the status quo.

It should be a simple enough matter to question things and arrive at an understanding of why things are the way they are, or if a reason fails to emerge, to try to find other methods.


True. But some people take that to mean you should question everything and brazenly break rules. This is more damaging than beneficial. As with everything, there must be balance.


I don't think that that is necessarily the case. Laws are set and have rigid punishment for breaking them; is that not the deterrent, rather than the fact that the individual agrees with the premise of the law? For most people, they will either follow rules or break them, regardless of whether they agree with them or not. The punishments encourage more people to avoid the behaviors that are illegal, but not everyone will.

However, I'm not immediately referring to the questioning of laws regarding behaviors that are illegal. I meant to address social laws more specifically. What would be the problem with people questioning the stigma attached to men with long hair?
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The problem is that some people think there is a need to question it and others believe there isn't. As worldly situations change and small differences between successive generations build up, social values are altered. If the worldly situations never changed and traditions were always passed down perfectly, there would be little need to alter social values. If one person questions something, it is difficult to bring change. As more and more people challenge a belief, change is made more likely.
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