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Dignity and disgrace are harmful concepts and are socially constructed.
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Well, I don't think you should listen to people telling you that you are insane unless you go and get it diagnosed. I get this all the time as well and I do not think I am all that insane, if I am at all. You also ought to examine yourself and truly determine whether you mean what you say or if you merely are saying it. Truly insane people tend to not be aware they are insane.

1. What is deemed acceptable by society ultimately comes down to what society as a whole deems to be right. If most people in a society deem an act to be wrong, it is almost always the case that those people believe that act to be somehow immoral. Societal values are basically the moral values of society. And those values change with the times and change with the people.

2. Not sure what this has to do with what I am saying. But, yes, it is problematic when the majority makes a choice and ignores the minority. But it's easier to live by conforming wisely than by being a fugitive, at least until the time is right. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. The tallest blade of the grass is the first to be cut. You have to choose your battles wisely, especially if you are only relying on your own strength.

3. That is something I cannot tell you. All I know is that balance is not blindly accepting everything you hear, nor is it denying and refusing everything you are told. It's somewhere in the middle. I only know that the extremes are surely wrong. I merely said that it tends to be harder for one person to cause change. It is easier with many people. Is this not true? If you are merely 'early' and the future generations cause change consistent with what you desire now, then you can have the satisfaction of knowing you were one of the firsts. I don't see how something will change without sufficient motivation, though, and I don't really believe that you can cause significant change without persuading others to join you until you have a force that is powerful enough. It's not impossible to change the world by yourself, but it would hardly be wise to consider the chances good. Short of extreme worldly circumstances necessitating such change, I personally do not see a way to spur change alone.

As long as you are in a group of people, there will be rules. To escape the rules of society, you merely need to escape that society. That is you need to get off the land ruled by that governing body and avoid the people so that its rules cannot be enforced against you. As long as you purposely avail yourself of the benefits, the group will expect you to follow the rules. If there is no contribution and adherence to the rules, the group treats that as though you are saying you want all of the benefits but don't want to do anything to earn them. It sees you as a parasite. The rules will be enforced against you and you can't ever win. Everyone who exists suffers, and your suffering may be no different from mine or your neighbor's. Some can tolerate more than others. Some are merely more vocal than others. Being louder does not necessarily mean you are in more pain than someone who doesn't make a sound.

I'm not too easily offended, so no worries. Again, you ought to examine yourself and truly determine whether you mean what you say or you merely are saying it. It is not easy to live comfortably as an island, which is essentially what you want to do if you don't want to be a part of any society. The group does more work for you than you realize, and that alone is often worth following the rules for.
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It's easy to claim a preference for the lack of "dignity" and "disgrace"; however, due to how broad the concepts of both are, I highly doubt that most people can truly stomach the absolute lack thereof. The likes of "urinating on other people in public" and "blatant exhibitionism" easily fall under "disgraceful/undignified," after all.
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You still don't get it; I don't have a problem with rules. I have a problem with hypocrisy. I also don't care for your implication that I feel my pain is greater than anyone's just because I'm dramatic, its like suggesting I am deserving of contempt because I say I'm in pain. whatever.

I don't mind laws so much as customs. Some things deserve my contempt, and one of those is whats regarded as graceful when it isn't. Some of the women that promote a false impression and the men that made it up in the first place.



And, one thing, the legal definition of insanity says someone doesn't know they're doing right or wrong, Insanity isn't even the correct term for psychiatry anymore. And its simply not true that you can't know there is something wrong with you, in fact, because of your esteemed society its impossible not to know sooner or later.


Like I'm hiding from censure or wanting to use my condition as a crutch!
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The nail that sticks out gets hammered down is among the most common criticisms levied against the japanese people, sadly thats true everywhere.

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all of that could be prevented if everyone agreed that what anyone believes means nothing and never will, only reason should have a say when dealing with issues of the real world, anything that is truly subjective is unreasonable, for good and bad.
this is why i cant reason your favorite colour to be different that you feel and why politics or other ideas and postulates people traditionally hold as sacred opinion ofte4n have an objective truth, even if people try to convince themselves and others otherwise.
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all of that could be prevented if everyone agreed that what anyone believes means nothing and never will, only reason should have a say when dealing with issues of the real world, anything that is truly subjective is unreasonable, for good and bad.
this is why i cant reason your favorite colour to be different that you feel and why politics or other ideas and postulates people traditionally hold as sacred opinion ofte4n have an objective truth, even if people try to convince themselves and others otherwise.


Seig Heil my fuhrer.
You know suppression of one's own libido never works, either, Mr. Spock.~
Hm, come to think on it Spock was only half-vulcan, and vulcans are beguilingly suppressive of their emotions. The portrayal of Sarek's death revealed a lot of pent-up emotions, lol. RIP Leonard Nimoy.
Anyway, good writers.


Back on point, I don't know if I could convey giving 0 fucks on you and your opinion, we could debate who cares less for the other, might be fun.

I don't know if Morbidhanson should thank you, or not for your contribution. All it looks like you did was hurt his argument that society is good by promoting oppression.






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Who gave a the Mental Institution patient internet access?

EDIT: Anyway, I'm like half awake, so I'm not sure I read what you wrote right, but if you are talking about how those who are different are treated differently and that being harmful to society, I think the road works both ways. Those who obstinately oppose conformity when it harms or makes the majority uncomfortable are being rather selfish, and should acknowledge that there are others around them and that they need to change how they act and look. On the other hand, if you have people who are singling out those for being who there are and not doing anything to others, then that is an issue.

I know it is a touchy issue, but I think the best example here would be Homosexuality. You have those who are just normal people, that don't let their sexuality define them, and I think it is completely wrong for society to stigmatize them. And then you have the other kind, who tend to act overly flamboyant for no apparent reason, and this makes many people (myself included) very uncomfortable. When you are in a certain environment, you need to learn to adapt for the sake of others. If you decide to be selfish and not do so, then expect others to treat you differently because you are acting differently.
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Who gave a the Mental Institution patient internet access?


I'm a doctor, I run the place.~
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Aeolist wrote:


oodain wrote:


all of that could be prevented if everyone agreed that what anyone believes means nothing and never will, only reason should have a say when dealing with issues of the real world, anything that is truly subjective is unreasonable, for good and bad.
this is why i cant reason your favorite colour to be different that you feel and why politics or other ideas and postulates people traditionally hold as sacred opinion ofte4n have an objective truth, even if people try to convince themselves and others otherwise.


Seig Heil my fuhrer.
You know suppression of one's own libido never works, either, Mr. Spock.~
Hm, come to think on it Spock was only half-vulcan, and vulcans are beguilingly suppressive of their emotions. The portrayal of Sarek's death revealed a lot of pent-up emotions, lol. RIP Leonard Nimoy.
Anyway, good writers.


Back on point, I don't know if I could convey giving 0 fucks on you and your opinion, we could debate who cares less for the other, might be fun.

I don't know if Morbidhanson should thank you, or not for your contribution. All it looks like you did was hurt his argument that society is good by promoting oppression.







you clearly have no idea what i wrote and filled your post with non sequiters and strawmen,
i dont need you to care i do need you to communicate in a reasonable manner or you are a waste of time.

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The problem with normal is that its fake. And I expect no less than for members of a group to protect their group. No surprise there. However I do think everyone is selfish, whatever they do it is done to serve their own interests. Therefore selflessness is fake as well. Selflessness is a tool placed in everyone's minds to promote the group. Its romantic, its heroic, and why shouldn't it be? It promotes co-existence.
I don't mind true self-lessness but thats something divine, and not man-made. You won't find it here. ~


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There are two or more sides to almost every issue but that doesn't mean we should just leave things as is and never move forward.

Where our world is now is a testament to things decided in the past that worked. Through endless trial and error, we've arrived where we are today. Whether the other paths would have been more appropriate is something we will never know.

Mere subjectivity is no reason to halt the journey toward progress, no excuse to allow rampant chaos, no justification for remaining stagnant and indecisive. It is true that everything is subjective but that knowledge does no good on its own. We can only choose one side and then move forward. It is ugly but it is reality and we have to deal with that.

Also, legal insanity requires expert analysis to determine. The courts do not decide that on their own. So even if it is an exclusively legal or layman term, it doesn't change the fact that only qualified experts should be making such a determination. They aren't perfect but they are certainly in the best position to do so.
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