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There's a white seperatist country musician named johnny rebel. He doesn't like blacks very much... here's the problem though...

he's really good. I mean, his music sounds great, and if he didn't sing about how black people are bad, people would like him.
Not to mention David Allan Coe had the Underground Album, which had "N**ger fucker", one of his most classic songs. Althuogh that song was mostly a joke, it was pretty much David Allan Coe trolling the music industry.

Here's some white power punk... I mean, I guess this is racist, however, his accent is too thick
I'm gonna assume it's about jews and blacks
[link to Skullhead - British Pride removed --lorreen]

But I enjoy their sound

unsurprisingly, gays kinda have it bad musically, with rap and reggae. It's not uncommon to have songs about setting gays on fire or shooting them. Shoot dem bwattoy boy dey be a dis grace to Jah, Jah shall burn dem inna de lake uh da fiya. Bablyon Burn N Dem, King Salassie reign, shoot dem bwatty boy n dem bowcatt

Or whatever the hell they say... that's what's surpising... That someone could understand these songs and to say they're offensive.

To be honest, I have no guilt in listening to these songs... I find them funny... It makes me wonder. How does Johnny Rebel right a song that goes, "Wop Bop Bam Bam Who likes a n**ger" and not doing it as a joke is hilarious...
If he meant it as a joke it would be one thing...
But for an actual racist to make a song this silly, is hilarious
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To be honest, I have no guilt in listening to these songs... I find them funny... It makes me wonder. How does Johnny Rebel right a song that goes, "Wop Bop Bam Bam Who likes a n**ger" and not doing it as a joke is hilarious...
If he meant it as a joke it would be one thing...
But for an actual racist to make a song this silly, is hilarious


I don't think it's hilarious. If I bothered to track it down and actually listen, I might well find it offensive--regardless of how much I liked the overall sound, or how over-the-top the lyrics are if they are of the "over the top but I mean them" and not of the "over the top because it's clearly satire and commentary against" sort.

I did listen to the song you linked to. I do like the sound; I also cannot make out most of the lyrics. What I can gather from the song and appreciate is a sentiment of frustration and anger and lashing out; that's what punk is largely about after all. And I can sympathize with the emotion, even if I don't agree with or sympathize with the conclusion.

I guess when it comes to art:

If an artist's art does not not portray bigoted viewpoints (or other viewpoints I find offensive) but the artist is known to be some kind of bigot or to hold views I find offensive, I might still enjoy the art and I might still "support" the artist by buying the work. However, I believe that people who won't support the art through purchases are also behaving in an ethical way and making an important statement (and maybe by buying and acknowledging appreciation of the art I am behaving less ethically). I don't consider them foolish for doing so.

If an artist's art does communicate bigoted viewpoints (or other viewpoints I find offensive), there may still be aspects of the work I appreciate and will acknowlege appreciating, but I'm unlikely to support the artist by buying the work or promoting them.

BTW, in keeping with CR 's site rules I've removed the link you provided, since it appeared to be an unauthorized upload. Yeah, defunct punk band, maybe neither they nor their label care, but it still didn't seem right to keep it there.
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Once again your a troll. If your not screw you for finding this shit funny. Its not funny at all, the only funny thing to come out of this guy is when the Boondocks made fun of him.

I listen to alot of music but I draw the line at bigoted music. Shit like Burzum and Skrewdriver is stuff I cant support nor do I listen to. I know a ton of metalheads will defend listening to NSBM by saying they dont agree with the message but like the music. Personally I think thats going to far but to each his/her own. If you like the music I believe the ONLY ethical way to obtain is to pirate it. This is a case were I think piracy is not only the best option but the only one you should take in obtaining the music. You should not support bigots with money.

I ONCE AGAIN REPEAT THE ONLY WAY YOU SHOULD ACQUIRE BIGOTED MUSIC IS THROUGH THEFT. FUCK SUPPORTING THESE PEOPLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
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Once again your a troll. If your not screw you for finding this shit funny. Its not the only funny thing to come out of this guy is when the Boondocks made fun of him.

But I draw the line at bigoted music. Shit like Burzum and Skrewdriver is stuff I cant support nor do I listen to. I know a ton of metalheads will defend listening to NSBM by saying they dont agree with the message but like the music. Personally I think thats going to far but to each his/her own. If you like the music I believe the ONLY ethical way to obtain is to pirate it. This is a case were I think piracy is not only the best option but the only one you should take in obtaining the music. You should not support bigots with money.

I ONCE AGAIN REPEAT THE ONLY WAY YOU SHOULD ACQUIRE BIGOTED MUSIC IS THROUGH THEFT. FUCK SUPPORTING THESE PEOPLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.


But... you don't understand...
Listen to dem Rasta grooves
gunshot dem fi get...

Their songs might be violent and hateful, but you can't tell me it ain't bumpin'

I mean.. Bigot or not, I still consider Sizzla to be the greatest reggae musician. He's had one of the most prolific legacies within jamaican music. And I'll be honest... he's better than bob marley
And if I buy a sizzla album, which I've had bought some of his music legally... Am I funding the murder of homosexuals? Does Sizzla's concert tickets go to killing gays?

What he says has no effecrt on society. Neither does Beanie Man, Buju Bantan, Capleton, or any of the other anti-gay Jamaicans.
Unless you think reggae is the reason Jamaica is so homophobic
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Once again your a troll. If your not screw you for finding this shit funny. Its not the only funny thing to come out of this guy is when the Boondocks made fun of him.

But I draw the line at bigoted music. Shit like Burzum and Skrewdriver is stuff I cant support nor do I listen to. I know a ton of metalheads will defend listening to NSBM by saying they dont agree with the message but like the music. Personally I think thats going to far but to each his/her own. If you like the music I believe the ONLY ethical way to obtain is to pirate it. This is a case were I think piracy is not only the best option but the only one you should take in obtaining the music. You should not support bigots with money.

I ONCE AGAIN REPEAT THE ONLY WAY YOU SHOULD ACQUIRE BIGOTED MUSIC IS THROUGH THEFT. FUCK SUPPORTING THESE PEOPLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.


But... you don't understand...
Listen to dees Rasta grooves
gunshot dem fi get...

This song might be violent and hateful, but you can't tell me it ain't bumpin' \https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCRdaloEJY

I mean.. Bigot or not, I still consider Sizzla to be the greatest reggae musician.
And if I buy a sizzla album, which I've had bought some of his music legally... Am I funding the murder of homosexuals? Does Sizzla's concert tickets go to killing gays?

What he says has no effecrt on society. Neither does Beanie Man, Buju Bantan, Capleton, or any of the other anti-gay Jamaicans.
Unless you think reggae is the reason Jamaica is so homophobic


Okay to start of wasnt a fan of the music Homophobia aside im much more a fan of roots reggae and dub than dancehall.

Know lets get into the tricky shit. Does Sizzlas concert tickets go to killing gays. No of course not. BUT Sizzlas message promotes violence against homosexuals. As much as he likes to deny it he does have an effect on society. Young kids may hear his music and develop a hatred of gay people based upon the music he makes and if you pay for his concert tickets and buy his records you a giving him money to spend on making more music that promotes his hateful message.
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megahobbit Okay to start of wasnt a fan of the music Homophobia aside im much more a fan of roots reggae and dub than dancehall.

Know lets get into the tricky shit. Does Sizzlas concert tickets go to killing gays. No of course not. BUT Sizzlas message promotes violence against homosexuals. As much as he likes to deny it he does have an effect on society. Young kids may hear his music and develop a hatred of gay people based upon the music he makes and if you pay for his concert tickets and buy his records you a giving him money to spend on making more music that promotes his hateful message.


Well, hate songs are a small portion of his music. Most of it is very beautifully written.

I don't think kids are that impressionable. Plus, it wouldn't matter, as his music is art imitating life, rather than the other way around. It's a reflection of culture
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megahobbit Okay to start of wasnt a fan of the music Homophobia aside im much more a fan of roots reggae and dub than dancehall.

Know lets get into the tricky shit. Does Sizzlas concert tickets go to killing gays. No of course not. BUT Sizzlas message promotes violence against homosexuals. As much as he likes to deny it he does have an effect on society. Young kids may hear his music and develop a hatred of gay people based upon the music he makes and if you pay for his concert tickets and buy his records you a giving him money to spend on making more music that promotes his hateful message.


Well, hate songs are a small portion of his music. Most of it is very beautifully written.

I don't think kids are that impressionable. Plus, it wouldn't matter, as his music is art imitating life, rather than the other way around. It's a reflection of culture


Trust me kids are that impressionable.

Its a give and take in my opinion. Art is both a reflection of culture but it can change and affect culture too. If one looks through art history one can find thousand of examples of art changing the way people view cultural things(Virgils Aeneid, Harriet Beecher Stowes Uncle Toms Cabin, Upton Sinclairs the jungle, etc) Sizzlas music reinforces a culture of homophobia.
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megahobbit Okay to start of wasnt a fan of the music Homophobia aside im much more a fan of roots reggae and dub than dancehall.

Know lets get into the tricky shit. Does Sizzlas concert tickets go to killing gays. No of course not. BUT Sizzlas message promotes violence against homosexuals. As much as he likes to deny it he does have an effect on society. Young kids may hear his music and develop a hatred of gay people based upon the music he makes and if you pay for his concert tickets and buy his records you a giving him money to spend on making more music that promotes his hateful message.


Well, hate songs are a small portion of his music. Most of it is very beautifully written.

I don't think kids are that impressionable. Plus, it wouldn't matter, as his music is art imitating life, rather than the other way around. It's a reflection of culture


Trust me kids are that impressionable.

Its a give and take in my opinion. Art is both a reflection of culture but it can change and affect culture too. If one looks through art history one can find thousand of examples of art changing the way people view cultural things(Virgils Aeneid, Harriet Beecher Stowes Uncle Toms Cabin, Upton Sinclairs the jungle, etc) Sizzlas music reinforces a culture of homophobia.


I guess he's a little fucked up talking about shooting them.
What about Capleton? Who isn't really talking about burning gay people alive. He means it as a metaphor for purification. About Jah's grace cleansing their soul

All though, it could easily be interpreted as being about burning them.
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megahobbit Okay to start of wasnt a fan of the music Homophobia aside im much more a fan of roots reggae and dub than dancehall.

Know lets get into the tricky shit. Does Sizzlas concert tickets go to killing gays. No of course not. BUT Sizzlas message promotes violence against homosexuals. As much as he likes to deny it he does have an effect on society. Young kids may hear his music and develop a hatred of gay people based upon the music he makes and if you pay for his concert tickets and buy his records you a giving him money to spend on making more music that promotes his hateful message.


Well, hate songs are a small portion of his music. Most of it is very beautifully written.

I don't think kids are that impressionable. Plus, it wouldn't matter, as his music is art imitating life, rather than the other way around. It's a reflection of culture


Trust me kids are that impressionable.

Its a give and take in my opinion. Art is both a reflection of culture but it can change and affect culture too. If one looks through art history one can find thousand of examples of art changing the way people view cultural things(Virgils Aeneid, Harriet Beecher Stowes Uncle Toms Cabin, Upton Sinclairs the jungle, etc) Sizzlas music reinforces a culture of homophobia.


I guess he's a little fucked up talking about shooting them.
What about Capleton? Who isn't really talking about burning gay people alive. He means it as a metaphor for purification. About Jah's grace cleansing their soul

All though, it could easily be interpreted as being about burning them.


Well thats still a bad viewpoint to have "cleansing gay people to purify them of there homosexuality". Is it as bad as talking about burning them. No BUT it still feeds and reinforces a homophobic culture.
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megahobbit Well thats still a bad viewpoint to have "cleansing gay people to purify them of there homosexuality". Is it as bad as talking about burning them. No BUT it still feeds and reinforces a homophobic culture.


I just see it as cultural differences.
Plus, in most abrahamic faiths, that's an extremely common doctrine.

So I don't really consider that homophobic. Since that's not "hate". Most christians/jews/muslims who feel that way do it because they don't want them to burn.
I mean... if you hated gays, why would you want your god to fix them. Shouldn't you want them to stay that way so they won't go to your heaven?
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megahobbit Well thats still a bad viewpoint to have "cleansing gay people to purify them of there homosexuality". Is it as bad as talking about burning them. No BUT it still feeds and reinforces a homophobic culture.


I just see it as cultural differences.
Plus, in most abrahamic faiths, that's an extremely common doctrine.

So I don't really consider that homophobic. Since that's not "hate". Most christians/jews/muslims who feel that way do it because they don't want them to burn.
I mean... if you hated gays, why would you want your god to fix them. Shouldn't you want them to stay that way so they won't go to your heaven?


Sure cultural differences play into this and I don't see whats wrong with recognizing the cultural differences and still enjoying the music.

First off in Judaism it kinda depends on the branch. Reform Judiasm is very open to Homosexuality and lets LGBT be ordained as ministers. But overall Abrahamic religions are not friendly to homosexuals. From my personal experience growing up in a largely catholic area and going to catholic schools the majority of Catholics have no problem with homosexuality.
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megahobbit Well thats still a bad viewpoint to have "cleansing gay people to purify them of there homosexuality". Is it as bad as talking about burning them. No BUT it still feeds and reinforces a homophobic culture.


I just see it as cultural differences.
Plus, in most abrahamic faiths, that's an extremely common doctrine.

So I don't really consider that homophobic. Since that's not "hate". Most christians/jews/muslims who feel that way do it because they don't want them to burn.
I mean... if you hated gays, why would you want your god to fix them. Shouldn't you want them to stay that way so they won't go to your heaven?


Sure cultural differences play into this and I don't see whats wrong with recognizing the cultural differences and still enjoying the music.

First off in Judaism it kinda depends on the branch. Reform Judiasm is very open to Homosexuality and lets LGBT be ordained as ministers. But overall Abrahamic religions are not friendly to homosexuals. From my personal experience growing up in a largely catholic area and going to catholic schools the majority of Catholics have no problem with homosexuality.


Exactly.. Capleton doesn't wanna kill gays, he wants to save them.

Although, his angry threatening tone and lyrics kind of suggest the former... but... cultural differences
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megahobbit Well thats still a bad viewpoint to have "cleansing gay people to purify them of there homosexuality". Is it as bad as talking about burning them. No BUT it still feeds and reinforces a homophobic culture.


I just see it as cultural differences.
Plus, in most abrahamic faiths, that's an extremely common doctrine.

So I don't really consider that homophobic. Since that's not "hate". Most christians/jews/muslims who feel that way do it because they don't want them to burn.
I mean... if you hated gays, why would you want your god to fix them. Shouldn't you want them to stay that way so they won't go to your heaven?


Sure cultural differences play into this and I don't see whats wrong with recognizing the cultural differences and still enjoying the music.

First off in Judaism it kinda depends on the branch. Reform Judiasm is very open to Homosexuality and lets LGBT be ordained as ministers. But overall Abrahamic religions are not friendly to homosexuals. From my personal experience growing up in a largely catholic area and going to catholic schools the majority of Catholics have no problem with homosexuality.


Exactly.. Capleton doesn't wanna kill gays, he wants to save them.

Although, his angry threatening tone and lyrics kind of suggest the former... but... cultural differences


Yeah but my point stands that the view of trying "save" gay people and cure them of there homosexuality is still a harmful message to promote. Its not the same as outright saying he wants to kill them but its still a bad message.
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Yeah but my point stands that the view of trying "save" gay people and cure them of there homosexuality is still a harmful message to promote. Its not the same as outright saying he wants to kill them but its still a bad message.


Not really...

I mean, sure SOCE has failed miserably... but more likely than not, all of those conversion therapy clinics just want money and are scam organizations that care nothing about changing sexuality.

If there really is a God like Christians, Jews, and Rastafarian people say, then maybe he would change someones sexuality. I don't think that's a harmful message at all.
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Yeah but my point stands that the view of trying "save" gay people and cure them of there homosexuality is still a harmful message to promote. Its not the same as outright saying he wants to kill them but its still a bad message.


Not really...

I mean, sure SOCE has failed miserably... but more likely than not, all of those conversion therapy clinics just want money and are scam organizations that care nothing about changing sexuality.

If there really is a God like Christians, Jews, and Rastafarian people say, then maybe he would change someones sexuality. I don't think that's a harmful message at all.


Then your an idiot. Its a harmful message because parents may here it and think through the power of God they can change there kids sexual orientation, for that matter many people can hear it and think they can change a persons sexual orientation through religion. Whether or not you believe in a God is not going to change the fact that sexual orientation cannot be changed. Also the music still feeds into the conversion therapy logic and the homophobic culture.
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