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Hey ya'll. So Senator Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada is making a run for POTUS(President of the United States).

I know the guy will never make past the primaries but it's an interesting question. Should he be able to?

My opinion falls in the no category because it's pretty clear cut. You need to be born on U.S. soil, be it a military base or territory.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/20/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/
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The article that you provided seems to disagree though, dude.



Defining "natural born"

So what is a "natural born" citizen? The Constitution doesn’t specifically say.

In 2008, we reviewed research and polled several legal experts. The consensus was that someone is a "natural born" citizen if they have citizenship at birth and don’t have to go through a naturalization process to become a citizen.

If that’s the definition, then Cruz is a natural born citizen by being born to an American mother and having her citizenship at birth. (This same logic would apply to Obama, even if he were born in another country, which he wasn’t.)
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Ehh he should be able to run. Hes a complete and utter bible thumping nutjob though and wont be getting my vote.
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no because he wasn't born on US soil

it's not that it makes him less american or anything but i always thought that was pretty clear-cut
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raciel218 wrote:

The article that you provided seems to disagree though, dude.



Thats cool, I'm just sating my opinion. I'm not trying to post evidence to back me up, just an article that states the facts.
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Posted 4/3/15 , edited 4/3/15
Hey Donald Trump, why aren't you asking for this guy's birth certificate? Hm? Hmm?
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I don't get why so much importance is put on where a paper says you were technically born. I get the need to not let foreigners run for president because they might show far too much favortism to their home country but if they were raised here like that one definition mentioned then it's close enough. The fac they may have technically made their first cry in a foreign hospital has no effect on who they are.
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Posted 4/3/15 , edited 4/6/15

Metazoxan wrote:

I don't get why so much importance is put on where a paper says you were technically born. I get the need to not let foreigners run for president because they might show far too much favortism to their home country but if they were raised here like that one definition mentioned then it's close enough. The fac they may have technically made their first cry in a foreign hospital has no effect on who they are.




There is just so much bullshit with people in America. Obama is said to be born in Hawaii, that wasn't good enough for anti-Obama people. Nor was it good enough when he presented a birth certificate. Meanwhile, we know that Cruz was born in Canada and these same people aren't making ANY stink over this. Similarly, anti-Obama people keep saying "He's a Muslim, I know it! A Muslim who wants to take down the U.S. from the inside". Meanwhile, during the 2012 election, Romney was the competitor and he is a devout Mormon. Most Catholics and Protestants don't like Mormonism. So many of them in America believe Obama is a Muslim, on rather baseless reasons, while Romney IS DEFINITELY a devout Mormon, and everyone gave him a free pass.

Man, some of the people in this country...smh x 10,000
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Posted 4/3/15 , edited 4/3/15

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raciel218 wrote:

The article that you provided seems to disagree though, dude.



Thats cool, I'm just sating my opinion. I'm not trying to post evidence to back me up, just an article that states the facts.


Okay. Just needed to clarify

That being said, I was always taught in civics that American citizenship was jus sangulis (by blood) and jus soli (by soil).

There's also this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen


Granted, I'm not sure if Cruz fulfills all of the requirements here, but at the very least we have a bit more reference material to work with.
Posted 4/3/15
It does't bother me if you are citizen or not, has long as you know what you are doing and are qualify.

Side note Ted Cruz for president mean world war 3 with that moron on power, I rather vote for a hypocrite than this crazy sociopath.
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Anyone qualified should be able to run. Where you are born should not matter very much. Perhaps your upbringing should matter, but the mere place of birth should not. That is about as silly as setting a minimum and maximum height for presidential candidates. Plenty of qualified leaders were born in other countries and came here at quite a young age.

I do think citizenship should be a requirement, but mere birth place should not matter.
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Posted 4/3/15 , edited 4/3/15

Metazoxan wrote:

I don't get why so much importance is put on where a paper says you were technically born. I get the need to not let foreigners run for president because they might show far too much favortism to their home country but if they were raised here like that one definition mentioned then it's close enough. The fac they may have technically made their first cry in a foreign hospital has no effect on who they are.


I can't agree with that. By that logic, someone who is born to an American parent in another country needs only to live in the U.S. for the past 14 years and be of age to run.

Taking this idea to extremes, whats stopping say another country or organization from "obtaining" an American citizen and raising their offspring in that country for 25 years before sending it off to the U.S. make a life for itself before running for office?

Edit: You know what, nothing is stopping anyone from taking a cab from a hospital in America to an airport and boarding a flight to Iran... So it really doesn't matter now that I think about it.

My opinion remains the same though.
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Posted 4/3/15

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Metazoxan wrote:

I don't get why so much importance is put on where a paper says you were technically born. I get the need to not let foreigners run for president because they might show far too much favortism to their home country but if they were raised here like that one definition mentioned then it's close enough. The fac they may have technically made their first cry in a foreign hospital has no effect on who they are.


I can't agree with that. By that logic, someone who is born to an American parent in another country needs only to live in the U.S. for the past 14 years and be of age to run.

Taking this idea to extremes, whats stopping say another country or organization from "obtaining" an American citizen and raising their offspring in that country for 25 years before sending it off to the U.S. make a life for itself before running for office?

Edit: You know what, nothing is stopping anyone from taking a cab from a hospital in America to an airport and boarding a flight to Iran... So it really doesn't matter now that I think about it.

My opinion remains the same though.


Exactly. If someone wanted to spend the effort to create a puppet president they could do that even under the current system. But considering the chances of any individual becoming president and considering the system that prevents the president from doing everything himself it would be pretty useless.

Besides out last few presidents haven't been too great. So maybe letting some guys in who couldn't even run before will get someone in office who can get shit done for once.
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Anything is better than a leftist in my eyes. I agree with MOST of Mr. Cruz's policies. Yeah he's kinda weird; on 9/11 he stopped listening to rock and started listening to country because most people remember what they were doing during the disaster and such (and I mean he IS the senator of Texas and all), but I've heard stranger things happen.
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