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Posted 4/4/15

Dubnoman wrote:


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I don't get why so much importance is put on where a paper says you were technically born. I get the need to not let foreigners run for president because they might show far too much favortism to their home country but if they were raised here like that one definition mentioned then it's close enough. The fac they may have technically made their first cry in a foreign hospital has no effect on who they are.




There is just so much bullshit with people in America. Obama is said to be born in Hawaii, that wasn't good enough for anti-Obama people. Nor was it good enough when he presented a birth certificate. Meanwhile, we know that Cruz was born in Canada and these same people aren't making ANY stink over this. Similarly, anti-Obama people keep saying "He's a Muslim, I know it! A Muslim who wants to take down the U.S. from the inside". Meanwhile, during the 2012 election, Romney was the competitor and he is a devout Mormon. Most Catholics and Protestants don't like Mormonism. So many of them in America believe Obama is a Muslim, on rather baseless reasons, while Romney IS DEFINITELY a devout Mormon, and everyone gave him a free pass.

Man, some of the people in this country...smh x 10,000


Just a note on the bold. Obama won the Catholic vote in both elections.
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It doesn't matter because he's an idiot.
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Dubnoman wrote:

Hey Donald Trump, why aren't you asking for this guy's birth certificate? Hm? Hmm?


maybe because it is already out there. Are you really that stupid?
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wolfbrother0 wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:

Hey Donald Trump, why aren't you asking for this guy's birth certificate? Hm? Hmm?


maybe because it is already out there. Are you really that stupid?





Whether it is available or not isn't the point, brah. The point is, amid the questions of whether or not Cruz really qualifies, none of the people that demanded Obama's birth certificate (and then denied it was real when it was made available) are giving Cruz any flak about his circumstance.

What I said was a jab at those people, including Donald Trump, who really pushed the issue with Obama.
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When he was born, his parents were U.S. citizens at the time. He spent more than the minimum amount of years in the country to run for president. By law, he is just as eligible to run as Obama was. Maybe even more. People who think otherwise need to look up the requirements for running for president.

Now, with that said, he may be eligible to run but there's no way I'd want him as my president.

You know, it's funny. I thought people would be more concerned with the fact that he's Cuban.


Obama was born in the US state of Hawaii, granted 2 years after it became a state but it was a state nonetheless. He wasn't born in a different country like Ted Cruz, which is what the debate is.


Just as a note, Hawaii was a territory before it was a state. So whether it was 2 years before or 2 years after would not have mattered at all. Assuming President Obama was born in Hawaii after 1898 (when Hawaii because a US Territory), but more importantly is the year United States vs Wong Kim Ark was decided in the US Supreme Court which establishes that anyone born on US soil is a US citizen with certain very specific exceptions, as per the 14th Amendment.

Also, you may think a person needs to be born on US soil, but that is simply not true. A person just needs to be born of at least 1 American parent who has spent enough time in the US to qualify their children. There is no debate, except by those who do not understand the law. This is a clear cut settled matter of US Federal Law.

Title 8 United States Code Subsection 1401 to be specific.

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

[removed sections A-F since they deal with various other types of parents]

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

This assumes his father was not a citizen or resident alien (green card holder) at the time of his birth. If he was, then the 2 parent rule should apply and Cruz automatically has citizenship as long as at least 1 parent has spent at least 1 year prior to Cruz's birth in the US.

Since the law specifies "At Birth" that does pretty much settles the question of running for President. As the Constitution does not ever define what a Natural Born Citizen is, and in fact simply uses Citizen pretty much everywhere else. But since one would argue all births currently are natural, there not being unnatural types of birth, anyone who satisfies Title 8 would be a Natural Born Citizen by definition. At least as far as the courts would be concerned. Birthers would of course always have some conspiracy theory.

When you think of it though, this makes sense especially in the context of the good old days before the 1900's and air travel. A couple might spend months, possibly years, traveling because of how long it took to get anywhere. Since most nations do not have birthright citizenship (the Americas are about the only area that does) a child born of American parents elsewhere in the world would be a stateless person. Not something I am sure the founders of the Constitution had in mind and knew about first hand.

Even in the military and diplomatic services, a child is often born off US soil. US Embassy's are notoriously poor child birth places after all.

Still, the title of this thread is someone misleading as Ted Cruz is not Canadian. At least not anymore, he renounced his Canadian Citizenship last year and received notice from Canada that his citizenship was revoked back in May of 2014. Former Canadian perhaps would be a better title. Not that I would ever vote for that fruitcake. But I do not deny his right to run.

Now if Cruz still retained Canadian citizenship as a dual citizenship, that might be an issue. There would likely be the question of whether he has divided loyalties regardless of whether he ever asked to be Canadian or not. But since he renounced it, there is no issue.
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Cellory wrote:


I see. Thanks for the info. Well I guess I have no reason to complain anymore. The Constitution might be vague but that amendment appears to clear it right up.
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Ronyx0 wrote:

The way I see it, Ted Cruz was born too "two" US citizens, that would make him a natural born citizen. Vs Obama only having his mother as a citizen so birthplace would need to factor. That's how I see it anyway.


What does this have to do with anything. It just has to be one parent to be a citizen either mother or father. This logic also holds true for the current holder of the White House as well though he was born in Hawaii the last time I checked. Unless they truly meant had to be born in country which would than disqualify Rafael, this would need to be determined by the Supreme Court of course which would mean it is anyones guess than.
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send that illegal bastard back where he came from!! MURICA!!!!
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Posted 4/5/15
Ted Cruz is allowed to run for president because he was a US citizen at birth; it's the same situation as John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
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I don't see a problem. Canada's our 51st state, amirite?

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MysticGon wrote:

Hey ya'll. So Senator Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada is making a run for POTUS(President of the United States).

I know the guy will never make past the primaries but it's an interesting question. Should he be able to?

My opinion falls in the no category because it's pretty clear cut. You need to be born on U.S. soil, be it a military base or territory.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/20/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/


I doesn't matter where someone was born, it all matters where the MOTHER was born. If your mom is American and you're born on the moon, you can run for president.

John McCain was born in Panama.
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My parents did all 3
Raised here, been here all my life.
I just need to get a Certificate of Citizenship, so I can change my name
But the darn thing is like 800$

So about being president, my parents were trolls about it, they would tell me, "You can be anything you wanna be, except for president [of United States]".

So I wouldn't mind a Canadian guy who was raised here, being president, but I don't believe he can be.
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Posted 4/5/15
Hmm well I dont really mind him being the prez
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Posted 4/5/15
Lets do this the American way! As long as mr. Ted has the money he can run, because we do not care how fucked up someone is as long as they are rich. (and that is why America has nothing to do with freedom of choice, only freedom to bow down to 1% in are country like mindless puppets.
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Posted 4/5/15
Yea this seems pretty impossible seeings ghow he wasent born on US soil seems pretty clear cut
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