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Read Report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-31846098

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The exiled Dalai Lama has been labelled as a traitor as he has suggested that he might not have a successor, it would be better to end on a popular Dalai Lama rather than be replaced by a poor one.

Instead he has put in place a system for electing a political leader for the Tibetan community while in exile.

However, China said they want to choose the next Dalai Lama and it's not the Dalai Lama's choice to be the last Dalai Lama.

"Politically speaking, he has betrayed his homeland… The reincarnation of the Dalai Lama must be approved by the central government," Zhu Weiqun (the head of the Ethnic and Religious Affairs Committee of the national political advisory body) says, adding that the spiritual leader had also "betrayed Tibetan Buddhism." And the Dalai Lama has been accused of blasphemy.

China "could still set out to search for his reincarnation according to Buddhist rules and foster him".

What are your thoughts on this quarrel between China and the Dalai Lama?
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Read Report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-31846098

Quick overview:

The exiled Dalai Lama has been labelled as a traitor as he has suggested that he might not have a successor, it would be better to end on a popular Dalai Lama rather than be replaced by a poor one.

Instead he has put in place a system for electing a political leader for the Tibetan community while in exile.

However, China said they want to choose the next Dalai Lama and it's not the Dalai Lama's choice to be the last Dalai Lama.

"Politically speaking, he has betrayed his homeland… The reincarnation of the Dalai Lama must be approved by the central government," Zhu Weiqun (the head of the Ethnic and Religious Affairs Committee of the national political advisory body) says, adding that the spiritual leader had also "betrayed Tibetan Buddhism." And the Dalai Lama has been accused of blasphemy.

China "could still set out to search for his reincarnation according to Buddhist rules and foster him".

What are your thoughts on this quarrel between China and the Dalai Lama?


LOL Oh boy. Well China is pretty good at crushing opposition and is 5 years away from being the most powerful country on the planet, so I don't think anything will come of it. Sucks if you are Tibetan Buddhist though.
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I didn't know this was even a thing.
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The Chinese government is completely backward. It only gets stuff done due to its power and influence.
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The Chinese government decided who was the Panchen Lama back in the 1990's after kidnapping the legitimate successor.
Nobody knows where the guy is at.
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HuastecoOtaku wrote:

The Chinese government decided who was the Panchen Lama back in the 1990's after kidnapping the legitimate successor.
Nobody knows where the guy is at.


Interesting. Why would they do this?



To show thier dominance over religion
They also appoint Catholic bishops without the consent of the Pope, who is the only one that can appoint them.
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I don't think it's right to make funny gifs out of the Dalai Lama, he is a respected religious figure and you're probably offending a lot of Buddhists out there.
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The Chinese government decided who was the Panchen Lama back in the 1990's after kidnapping the legitimate successor.
Nobody knows where the guy is at.


"Chinese authorities stated that Gedhun (the appointed Panchen Llama) had been taken into protective custody from those that would spirit him into exile and is now held in captivity against the wishes of the Tibetan people" - Wikipedia

wow, it's amazing how all of this stuff is brushed under the carpet and forgotten about after a few months, thanks for mentioning this though and educating us on it.

I don't think China is the only 'bad country' and the media probably antagonises it and emphasises it's shortcomings. Albeit, this is a great injustice but there's not much we can do other than acknowledge it.
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the dali llama is too political to be a monk... said a friend who comes from a powerful family in tibet. the country has little to no resources, poor farming grounds, few animals. it was admitted that the people of Tibet so deeply rooted in their culture, which is focused around Buddhism, which does not care for the physical self, do not pull their own weight. If China were to set Tibet completely free, they would require equal aid, and thus be in the same type of "slavery" as they are now. China is still officially a communist country, and supplies Tibet with food, clothes, and means for shelter, things that the people would have huge problems with doing on their own due to a HUGE percentage of the people becoming monks.

the inherent idea of Buddhism is not to fight the flow of destiny and all things that happen were meant to happen. thus being political does nothing in the long run and is short sighted. thus the Dali llama is not really a reflection of the religion but more someone using religion to solidify his influence. he may not be a tyrant and warlord, but as a monk he goes against many of the basics.

He might be a caring person, with compassion and empathy, however to state he is some kind of enlightened buddhist is straying some distance from the foundations of the belief system.

on the other hand, im pretty sure in any religion, "state approval" is not on God's list of requirements that needs to be met in order to do something. China does have some history of detrimentally regulating culture since the communist revolution; coming from the rapid westernization and desire to assimilate.
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the dali llama is too political to be a monk... said a friend who comes from a powerful family in tibet. the country has little to no resources, poor farming grounds, few animals. it was admitted that the people of Tibet so deeply rooted in their culture, which is focused around Buddhism, which does not care for the physical self, do not pull their own weight. If China were to set Tibet completely free, they would require equal aid, and thus be in the same type of "slavery" as they are now. China is still officially a communist country, and supplies Tibet with food, clothes, and means for shelter, things that the people would have huge problems with doing on their own due to a HUGE percentage of the people becoming monks.

the inherent idea of Buddhism is not to fight the flow of destiny and all things that happen were meant to happen. thus being political does nothing in the long run and is short sighted. thus the Dali llama is not really a reflection of the religion but more someone using religion to solidify his influence. he may not be a tyrant and warlord, but as a monk he goes against many of the basics.

He might be a caring person, with compassion and empathy, however to state he is some kind of enlightened buddhist is straying some distance from the foundations of the belief system.

on the other hand, im pretty sure in any religion, "state approval" is not on God's list of requirements that needs to be met in order to do something. China does have some history of detrimentally regulating culture since the communist revolution; coming from the rapid westernization and desire to assimilate.


Doesn't their set of buddhism require a Dalai Lama?
Excuse my ignorance, but if they don't care about the world they leave behind and the body they detach themselves from, then how can Buddhism have any hopes of becoming a world religion, wouldn't things fall into chaos? And if they're so fixated on alleviating suffering, isn't the very definition of living, to suffer? By this logic reproduction would be a sin, because one would be creating lives so they can suffer. And if Buddhism does draw lines and does require them to be bound to the world to some degree, then why don't they become self-sufficient and engage in politics to survive and live well. Surely even relying on foreign aid is a short-term goal.

You don't have to answer my constant bombardment with questions, I assume you're very educated on the topic as your knowledge seems to eclipse mine tenfold.
Posted 4/5/15 , edited 4/7/15

Here, I'll offend myself and my religion to even it out.

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