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what does that meeen??


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paramount

Basically what this post is asking is if the ending of anime is the most important part.


oh thank you!
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Naruto Shippuden had a terrible ending.
I was hoping Madara would win, and Naruto and Sasuke would die.
The show should have ended at Episode 393 (titled: A True Ending)



Yeah... I Agree, but I'm not agree if Madara win. Madara sucks. I hope Naruto and Sasuke can live happilly not die. They'll marry! Naruto wth Hinata, Sasuke wth Sakura. That's better.
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ItachiUchihaAkatsuki wrote:


SweetPerplexity wrote:

Naruto Shippuden had a terrible ending.
I was hoping Madara would win, and Naruto and Sasuke would die.
The show should have ended at Episode 393 (titled: A True Ending)



Yeah... I Agree, but I'm not agree if Madara win. Madara sucks. I hope Naruto and Sasuke can live happilly not die. They'll marry! Naruto wth Hinata, Sasuke wth Sakura. That's better.


Madara promises a plan with stable peace, and will rid the world of its suffering.
Naruto, however, expects the entire world to place their trust in him, and he only guarantees peace within his life time. He defies the words of Madara and Nagato. Madara said himself "Peace is impossible, because people are stuck in a pardox between their need for peace and their desire for war."
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Sometimes it's the beginning that's paramount. Sometimes, it's the middle that's paramount... and those are the best kind. Watch little busters... and the thing that makes that anime what it is, would be the little nudges it gives you. One of the better animes.
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um.... yeah... they actually died in naruto's ending... they just don't know that they died... they're actually in the infinite sukyomi after madara unleashes it. everything after that is nothing but their imagination because there's no way that you're just suddenly going between dimensions with some random monster lady that doesn't even know what her own strength is. The entire fight is nothing but some lady who's overpowered, but is completely overwhelmed by teenagers... How believable is that? ugh.




Spoiler alert... watch out you NAZIs.
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Yes I must think the ending is important since i like to watch that first and depending if i like it I might watch episode 1
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Yes I must think the ending is important since i like to watch that first and depending if i like it I might watch episode 1


That sounds pretty dumb to me, if you watch the ending without any context then you won't understand what it's about... You also then know how it'll end.

Like I've said to some other people, if a series have 100 episodes where as the only bad part is the ending then that equals to only 1% being bad and therefore shouldn't effect your overall opinion on the entire series as a whole. It's not about the pay off, it's about the journey. If you don't like the introduction episodes or main plot line then chances are you won't stay around just to see how it ends.
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proxydata wrote:

Yes I must think the ending is important since i like to watch that first and depending if i like it I might watch episode 1


That sounds pretty dumb to me, if you watch the ending without any context then you won't understand what it's about... You also then know how it'll end.

Like I've said to some other people, if a series have 100 episodes where as the only bad part is the ending then that equals to only 1% being bad and therefore shouldn't effect your overall opinion on the entire series as a whole. It's not about the pay off, it's about the journey. If you don't like the introduction episodes or main plot line then chances are you won't stay around just to see how it ends.


Enjoyment and love for a series isn't so logical to the extent that it can be quantified into percentages. There is no measurement for enjoy-ability, and depending on how bad that 1% ending was, it can make you bitterly hate the entire series and never watch it or recommend it again. While if that ending was great you might watch it multiple times and it might the most poignant part of the series, making it account for more than just 1%
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Sure, a good ending is always better than a bad ending, but whether or not it is paramount depends on the focus and intent of the show.

If the show is a slice-of-life or a pure comedy, then I usually don't care about the ending all that much. Bunny Drop doesn't really end; it just kind of stops. But given that it's about the daily life of a young girl and her caregiver, an "ending" would have probably meant one of them died or moved away, so I'm perfectly happy that it came to the conclusion that it did. Somewhat less extreme, The Devil Is a Part-Timer doesn't conclude any of the major plot or character development stories--but every episode was hilarious, so I'm perfectly happy with it as it is.

If a show holds out the promise of a second season, I will mind a bad ending--but I am inclined to believe in good faith that the makers of the show did intend to carry on the story. Haganai's second season left off at an awful point, but I'll forgive it at least a bit, because I believe that there was every intention of making a third. The same can be said of a show like Trinity Seven; maybe it will get a second season, and maybe the makers of the show clearly hope that there will be another. Those shows annoyed me, but not so much that I hate them.

The bad ends are the Dramas, Action/Adventures, or Romances which end unsatisfactorily but without any intent on carrying them forward. Waiting for Summer has some half-assed ambiguous ending, and it's clear that there was never any intent on finishing things off more satisfactorily. Or occasionally I've read a manga that comes to a bad end and follows with a "we're done now; make sure to read the light novel!", which just annoys the crap out of me.
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I'd have to agree to disagree with you on that. The ending is Paramount in SOME cases however it's far from paramount in every case.

For instance, let's say you've watched Naturo for the last couple of years. Then you've watched it for it's characters and their interaction with all the individual smaller stories-lines that it contains throughout the entire story. So in this case then the ending isn't paramount since 1 episode doesn't change the fact that you enjoyed watching all the previus episodes over the last couple of years.

A example of a show where the ending is paramount is Ergo proxy where you're watching it only to learn what's really going on in the world that you've been presented to. And if you use proxydata's logic then you should watch the last episode of ergo proxy before you watch the first episode... And what will happen then is that you'll find out that Vincent is somehow a god (Ergo proxy), however you want have the building stones required to understand why or how he is a god nor will you understand why he wanted to forget the fact that he was a god.

A example where the ending isn't paramount is Black Lagoon, they ended it with a open ending where it's up for interpretation of what happens next. They didn't leave it with a cliff-hanger like many other shows like to do. I would love to see a continuation, however a continuation/better ending won't change my overall opinion of the series since it was never intended to have a big finale since it was written so that every arc were their own individual stories and the selling point for black lagoon was the individual stories, NOT the overall story where every individual arc was contained.

Another example of where the ending isn't paramount is the slice of life genre where it's just suppose to show the everyday life of a few characters and having a ending in a case like that would mean that someone would have to die or something and that's not the selling point of that genre.

See what I'm saying? The ending isn't paramount in every case like some people tend to say.. .
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Any decent writer writes a story because she has a story that she wants an audience to know about. To some extent, this audience may sometimes be the writer himself, but anyone that wants to put out material to the world does so because he thinks it will be valuable to the world.

What I mean by this, is that a story is meant to accomplish some sort of goal -- communication, to put it simply. The writer wants others to understand the world in a particular way, and uses the story to get this understanding across to others. Whether she wants to examine an idea, delve into an emotion, or whatever, the story is successful insofar as this goal is completed. Thus, we might say that the ending is, theoretically at least, irrelevant as long as this goal has already been met.

The reality, however, is that the ending is almost always relevant, because if the story's goal is already accomplished, then there's no reason to continue the story. That is, if you've accomplished everything that you wanted to in a story, then anything past that moment is essentially pointless, which means that endings ought to be important unless you wnat to bore the audience.

So basically, endings aren't properly important by themselves, only tangentially. The only important consideration is that the writer/s accomplished what they set out to accomplish artistically. Of course, accomplishing what they wanted to accomplish financially may lead to different results, but this is a separate topic entirely.
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I think it's a growing number, but not out of hand (yet). The only great anime with a terrible ending I can think of off the top of my head is Akame ga Kill. Great start, great buildup...

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Very important? Yes, I would say the ending to an anime is just as important as the music and acting. Paramount? Nope. I can love a show, then not watch it for months because of my weird anime watching patterns, then enjoy it again from the very beginning. I guess in that case, it's the feeling the anime gives me (whether intentional or not) that is paramount.
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Posted 4/7/15

SweetPerplexity wrote:


ItachiUchihaAkatsuki wrote:


SweetPerplexity wrote:

Naruto Shippuden had a terrible ending.
I was hoping Madara would win, and Naruto and Sasuke would die.
The show should have ended at Episode 393 (titled: A True Ending)



Yeah... I Agree, but I'm not agree if Madara win. Madara sucks. I hope Naruto and Sasuke can live happilly not die. They'll marry! Naruto wth Hinata, Sasuke wth Sakura. That's better.


Madara promises a plan with stable peace, and will rid the world of its suffering.
Naruto, however, expects the entire world to place their trust in him, and he only guarantees peace within his life time. He defies the words of Madara and Nagato. Madara said himself "Peace is impossible, because people are stuck in a pardox between their need for peace and their desire for war."


You know, Madara promise plan with stable peace, but with genjutsu, genjutsu is just fake world.
We cant live in the fake world, we must live in reality, reality is painful, but we should accept it. If we escape from it , we're just none other than a scum that just escaping from reality.
Reality will make hole in our heart, but time will heal everything, time will cover the hole in the heart.
Naruto never guarantees peace within his life time, but forever. He guarantees that someday people can understand each other heart and able to share each other pains and happiness. They have desire for war and they need peace, they'll have a war to create peace in the world. The desire to war is to keep peace to the world.
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I don't think the ending is that important. If I did, I don't know if I'd be watching as much anime now as I used to.

It used to be that when shows were being made that didn't cover the whole story of the manga or whatever, they would come up with an original story idea to be used as an ending, so the show would at least have one. Now, a lot of these endings aren't necessarily very good, but some of them did work.

Nowadays, anime adapting manga NEVER do this, because that would mean they can't milk a second season out of it. And don't get me wrong, I'm quite pleased at all the shows that have gotten a second or even third season. But not all anime get them! So for a lot of anime they just sort of end without ending.

Lately, they've gotten pretty good at coming to a place where even though a lot of things are left open, it's still a reasonably satisfying conclusion. But after a while it just starts to get tiring, and even if it might turn out bad I kinda wish some studios would have the guts to try and come up with a proper ending for once.
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