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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tammy-bruce-indiana-fascist-wolf-pack
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gay-conservatives-rebut-media-on-indiana-religious-freedom-law/article/2562477

Now... I'm not here to kiss this womans ass, since many of the stuff she has said and supported I disagree with. Which is natural, as I'm not really a conservative...

However, this clearly shows that there's really no reason to be homophobic. Gays are not out to destroy society and take your religious freedom... liberals are. And for someone who leans to the right on this particular issue, it's glad to see not every gay person is a liberal
Now what does that mean for someone to be gay and conservative? Well, to a liberal, that probably makes them a sell out. You probably think they secretly hate being gay and wanna undermine gay rights or some shit like that... in other words... you can't see how rational these people are
Like Rob Halford of Judas Priest. I don't know what his ideology is, but I know he was one of the few people who reacted rationally to what that Chick Fil A guy said.

Now, why would these people support the indiana bill, as well as similar bills accross the country. After all, laws like this only pass in states with LGBT discimination laws on the book. A bill like that couldn't pass in NC. Because we don't have any protections in the first place.
Well... I have two theories.
1. They support the free market. which would make them conservatives or liberatrians
2. They care more about religious freedom than advancing some agenda... The way I see it, these people are more disgusted by a couple suing, tarnishing, and desecrating a business over their religious beliefs, than they do about being able to get anything from any place. Perhaps, they care about the other side.

In other words, you shouldn't be homophobic, be liberalophobic. And there are plenty of liberalophobic gays.
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Now, why would these people support the indiana bill, as well as similar bills accross the country. After all, laws like this only pass in states with LGBT discimination laws on the book. A bill like that couldn't pass in NC. Because we don't have any protections in the first place.
Well... I have two theories.
1. They support the free market. which would make them conservatives or liberatrians
2. They care more about religious freedom than advancing some agenda... The way I see it, these people are more disgusted by a couple suing, tarnishing, and desecrating a business over their religious beliefs, than they do about being able to get anything from any place. Perhaps, they care about the other side.

In other words, you shouldn't be homophobic, be liberalophobic. And there are plenty of liberalophobic gays.


This. Yes. As someone who is a bi conservative, I agree with these two points.

However, because there are protections for others (like African Americans) to have the right to eat where they want, there needs to be protection for everyone.

My personal opinion is if a business can afford to turn away people, then good on them. Let's see how long they last.
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Now, why would these people support the indiana bill, as well as similar bills accross the country. After all, laws like this only pass in states with LGBT discimination laws on the book. A bill like that couldn't pass in NC. Because we don't have any protections in the first place.
Well... I have two theories.
1. They support the free market. which would make them conservatives or liberatrians
2. They care more about religious freedom than advancing some agenda... The way I see it, these people are more disgusted by a couple suing, tarnishing, and desecrating a business over their religious beliefs, than they do about being able to get anything from any place. Perhaps, they care about the other side.

In other words, you shouldn't be homophobic, be liberalophobic. And there are plenty of liberalophobic gays.


This. Yes. As someone who is a bi conservative, I agree with these two points.

However, because there are protections for others (like African Americans) to have the right to eat where they want, there needs to be protection for everyone.

My personal opinion is if a business can afford to turn away people, then good on them. Let's see how long they last.


Well... my thing is this. I know folks come from different parts of America with different ideology.

Here's what would happen in my state of NC. And what very well can happen since we don't have such discrmination laws, and therefore, have no reason to have a religious freedom act.

If someone put up a "no gays allowed" sign and refused to serve them period. That would not be good for your business. However, if someone wanted a wedding cake (gay marriage is legal here), and a religious owner denied service. It woudln't be a big deal. It wouldn't even make the news. Because we do things differently in Dixie. The religious person isn't a "bigot" or a "hater". Just someone who wants to run his business anywhere else.
I'd imagine a gay person here would respectfully take their business elsewhere and not start a ruckus. Nor would they judge them or call them hateful.
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Why not conservative? sexual orientation and political beliefs are two different things. otherwise all straights would vote for the same party.
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I think Ann Coulter said it best when she said she didn't understand why gays shouldn't be republican or for marriage. There really isn't a reason why someone gay can't be republican, it doesn't necessarily contradict and not all conservatives are obnoxioius fascist pigs like Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or are homophobes. Lots of gay republicans. The world of politics is hardly black and white.
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I think Ann Coulter said it best when she said she didn't understand why gays shouldn't be republican or for marriage. There really isn't a reason why someone gay can't be republican, it doesn't necessarily contradict and not all conservatives are obnoxioius fascist pigs like Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or are homophobes. Lots of gay republicans. The world of politics is hardly black and white.
For marriage? like less divorces?

*google*

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This is by far the stupidest thread I've ever read.
Stupid bait for a discussion by talking about a controversial topic to promote flame wars.
Please take this trash to another website, I'd recommend the YouTube comment section.

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This is by far the stupidest thread I've ever read.


Silversongwriters gone much stupider.
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Dark_Childe wrote:

I think Ann Coulter said it best when she said she didn't understand why gays shouldn't be republican or for marriage. There really isn't a reason why someone gay can't be republican, it doesn't necessarily contradict and not all conservatives are obnoxioius fascist pigs like Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or are homophobes. Lots of gay republicans. The world of politics is hardly black and white.
For marriage? like less divorces?

*google*

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Why marriage is desireable when its a religious institution to begin with. Its not all that great.
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tammy-bruce-indiana-fascist-wolf-pack
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gay-conservatives-rebut-media-on-indiana-religious-freedom-law/article/2562477

Now... I'm not here to kiss this womans ass, since many of the stuff she has said and supported I disagree with. Which is natural, as I'm not really a conservative...

However, this clearly shows that there's really no reason to be homophobic. Gays are not out to destroy society and take your religious freedom... liberals are. And for someone who leans to the right on this particular issue, it's glad to see not every gay person is a liberal
Now what does that mean for someone to be gay and conservative? Well, to a liberal, that probably makes them a sell out. You probably think they secretly hate being gay and wanna undermine gay rights or some shit like that... in other words... you can't see how rational these people are
Like Rob Halford of Judas Priest. I don't know what his ideology is, but I know he was one of the few people who reacted rationally to what that Chick Fil A guy said.

Now, why would these people support the indiana bill, as well as similar bills accross the country. After all, laws like this only pass in states with LGBT discimination laws on the book. A bill like that couldn't pass in NC. Because we don't have any protections in the first place.
Well... I have two theories.
1. They support the free market. which would make them conservatives or liberatrians
2. They care more about religious freedom than advancing some agenda... The way I see it, these people are more disgusted by a couple suing, tarnishing, and desecrating a business over their religious beliefs, than they do about being able to get anything from any place. Perhaps, they care about the other side.

In other words, you shouldn't be homophobic, be liberalophobic. And there are plenty of liberalophobic gays.


Look up the condition called "cognitive dissonance" this covers a wide range of right wing behavior. From things like this to the claims about birth control to climate change. This also covers folks that believe conspiracies as well.
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Why not conservative? sexual orientation and political beliefs are two different things. otherwise all straights would vote for the same party.


Well... the reason why it's a question is because according to folks on the left, the right wing is an anti-gay party, and in their minds, it would bring up, "Why would you support an ideology that discriminates against you".

Personally, I believe that without the liberal indoctrination in the media; you would have more sexual minorities supporting conservative stances.
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FlyinDumpling wrote:


Dark_Childe wrote:

I think Ann Coulter said it best when she said she didn't understand why gays shouldn't be republican or for marriage. There really isn't a reason why someone gay can't be republican, it doesn't necessarily contradict and not all conservatives are obnoxioius fascist pigs like Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or are homophobes. Lots of gay republicans. The world of politics is hardly black and white.
For marriage? like less divorces?

*google*

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Why marriage is desireable when its a religious institution to begin with. Its not all that great.


Marriage is desirable for financial reasons, specifically tax reasons.
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silversongwriter wrote:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tammy-bruce-indiana-fascist-wolf-pack
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gay-conservatives-rebut-media-on-indiana-religious-freedom-law/article/2562477

Now... I'm not here to kiss this womans ass, since many of the stuff she has said and supported I disagree with. Which is natural, as I'm not really a conservative...

However, this clearly shows that there's really no reason to be homophobic. Gays are not out to destroy society and take your religious freedom... liberals are. And for someone who leans to the right on this particular issue, it's glad to see not every gay person is a liberal
Now what does that mean for someone to be gay and conservative? Well, to a liberal, that probably makes them a sell out. You probably think they secretly hate being gay and wanna undermine gay rights or some shit like that... in other words... you can't see how rational these people are
Like Rob Halford of Judas Priest. I don't know what his ideology is, but I know he was one of the few people who reacted rationally to what that Chick Fil A guy said.

Now, why would these people support the indiana bill, as well as similar bills accross the country. After all, laws like this only pass in states with LGBT discimination laws on the book. A bill like that couldn't pass in NC. Because we don't have any protections in the first place.
Well... I have two theories.
1. They support the free market. which would make them conservatives or liberatrians
2. They care more about religious freedom than advancing some agenda... The way I see it, these people are more disgusted by a couple suing, tarnishing, and desecrating a business over their religious beliefs, than they do about being able to get anything from any place. Perhaps, they care about the other side.

In other words, you shouldn't be homophobic, be liberalophobic. And there are plenty of liberalophobic gays.


Look up the condition called "cognitive dissonance" this covers a wide range of right wing behavior. From things like this to the claims about birth control to climate change. This also covers folks that believe conspiracies as well.


Stop keeping this thread alive.
Cognitive Dissonance is more of a state than a condition.
And you're not talking about cognitive dissonance here, since that's what leads to conformity. It doesn't last very long due to it's instability hence the word 'dissonance' So you can't say a belief is based on it.
You're looking for the term 'double think' which still doesn't justify your points, but if you used that term instead, it would take longer to debunk your argument, thats all. Both terms are irrelevant and hold no real purpose in this argument. But at least you can pretend to have a valid argument by using the term 'double think'


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SweetPerplexity wrote:

This is by far the stupidest thread I've ever read.


Silversongwriters gone much stupider.


Threads like this are toxic to the community on this website.
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