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Posted 4/9/15
You know, I really don't care about the whole terrorism thing. Never have and never will.
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Kind of fucking name is that

Sounds like the name of some huge, magma looking raid boss in a dungeon under a volcano.
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KisaiGate wrote:

I don't think anyone is surprised at the verdict, though the WMD charges are a bit mystifying due to the fact the bomb they used never released any of the qualifiers for a WMD. Sets a pretty dangerous precedent. There's been plenty of those being set recently that have made the justice system break down in ways previously unfathomable.

Wouldn't surprise me if the jury OK's the death penalty either. It's usually multiple murders or horribly aggravated violence that land the death penalty on someone. He sure has a lot of blood on his hands.



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The punishment should be death. I'm not concerned about making him a martyr, I don't think that would happen. Nobody gives a shit about these two losers. Yes, the WMD charges are appropriate. The two bombs fit the definition and the attack resulted in over 200 people injured/killed.


You are aware his brother is not on trial? He was killed by small arms fire by the police.

A weapon of mass destruction is defined basically as any device with the properties of CBRNE which is:

Chemical-A device that uses chemicals synthesized to inflict death or harm.
Biological-The use of an infectious compound(virus, bacteria, fungi) to facilitate an act of war.
Radiological-Sometimes called a Radiological Dispersion Device, also known as a dirty bomb. Any device designed to kill or cause disruption through the spread of radioactive material. A salted bomb is an example of an RDD.
Nuclear-An explosive device that derives it's destructive force from a nuclear reaction.
Explosive-Added on several years ago to cover the threat of IED's, however can pertain to conventional explosive devices.

I've spent a total of 36 months deployed and not once during any of that time did anyone we detained for emplacement or use of an IED get a WMD charge, not one single time.
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WMD? really?
did timothy mcveigh get charged with anything WMD related or did oklahoma city predate that law?
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BlueOni wrote:

The verdict is exactly as expected (save the WMD charge, which kind of came out of nowhere), and I am glad the matter is nearly settled. The death penalty, however, should be avoided. The last thing to do is give a militant radical his execution. It would practically be rewarding and vindicating him in the eyes of other radicals to have an execution, you'd be creating a stage for him. No, he dies an eventually forgotten old man who rotted away in a cell his entire life. That's the far harsher penalty, and it leaves room for his release on the infinitesimal chance that his conviction is overturned in light of new evidence.


I agree. On top of that, death would only save him from years of suffering.
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I thought that WMD crap got nixed when the woman that poisoned her husband was convicted with it then won her appeal or is that still pending a higher decision?
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nemoskull wrote:

WMD? really?
did timothy mcveigh get charged with anything WMD related or did oklahoma city predate that law?


For the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in OKC, he was charged with:

1. Use of a WMD
2. Conspiracy to use a WMD
3. Destruction with the use of explosives
4. Eight counts of first-degree murder

The difference is that of heaven and earth.

Boston Marathon: 3 dead, 260 wounded, two crude devices and some minor property damage.

OKC: 168 dead, 680 wounded, 4800lbs dual ignition VBIED, 324 buildings damaged leaving several hundred people homeless, destroyed 86 vehicles, a crater 30 feet in diameter and 8 feet deep, an explosion that was heard up to 55 miles away and marked a 3.0 on seismometers up to 16 miles away and caused $652 million in property damage.

The two events are completely incomparable.



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It didn't happen in a war zone, it happened here. That's the difference. 3 dead, 260 wounded is still an extraordinary event to have happen in the United States.
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Posted 4/10/15 , edited 4/10/15
If were going to use possession of WMDs as a justification for invading other countries, I think possibly we want to set the bar a little higher.
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ghostwarrior88 wrote:

"Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are defined in US law (18 USC §2332a) as:

(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title (i.e. explosive device);
(B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
(C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title)
(D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life.

WMD is often referred to by the collection of modalities that make up the set of weapons: chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosive (CBRNE). These are weapons that have a relatively large-scale impact on people, property, and/or infrastructure."



Relevant:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

Any destructive device. You gotta be fuckin' kiddin me. Legally speaking, a hand grenade counts as a WMD based on this definition.

If I were conspiracy-minded I'd wonder if the Bush administration thought up this definition just to say they found WMDs in Iraq (after all, HEAT shells and hand grenades, missiles, and bombs of all sorts are WMDs under it).

The more cynical side of me says this definition simply reflects laziness and incompetence: no one wanted to come up with a more narrow definition so just decided any ol' explosive is a WMD. This could also be pragmatic of course. "getting off on a technicality" anyone?
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Imprisonment or death seems too kind for the stuff he pulled.

Maybe I am just a hater but when I read the stories and look at the images, my stomach churns in disgust and it just makes me hate the guy more.

I feel like I am the embodiment of evil now -.-.

If he got off with just a lengthy prison time I would have flipped a giant table.
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saksiss wrote:

Honestly.. Things would be a lot cleaner if we just gassed all of the prisons, drop the corpses into a pit, move new prisoners into the prisons, rinse and repeat.


That's a simple view.
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Who is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? Sorry to sound ignorant.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

Kind of fucking name is that

Sounds like the name of some huge, magma looking raid boss in a dungeon under a volcano.


xD, lol'd at your comment, it sounds russian or something
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piratequeen369 wrote:

Who is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? Sorry to sound ignorant.


One of the two individuals responsible for the IED attacks during the Boston Marathon in 2013. His brother Tamerlan was killed in a firefight with police roughly four days after the incident. They are/were Chechen-Avar immigrants whose family was granted political asylum in the United States in the early 2000's.

A Brit apologizing for being ignorant?
Posted 4/10/15

piratequeen369 wrote:

Who is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? Sorry to sound ignorant.


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