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ARemarkYouMade wrote:

For a site with mostly insane people, I am surprised at how many of you are swallowing this...wholesale.


The story? the verdict? the WMD charges? what do you mean?
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Honestly.. Things would be a lot cleaner if we just gassed all of the prisons, drop the corpses into a pit, move new prisoners into the prisons, rinse and repeat.


That's a simple view.


Yes, and the world would be a better, if not slightly, place.


Do you realize that prisons are for rehabilitation?


They shouldn't be.


Hope you never are mistakenly convicted and have to serve prison time then.


It doesn't matter. I'd never let myself be caught alive.
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Posted 4/11/15

saksiss wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:


saksiss wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:


saksiss wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:


saksiss wrote:

Honestly.. Things would be a lot cleaner if we just gassed all of the prisons, drop the corpses into a pit, move new prisoners into the prisons, rinse and repeat.


That's a simple view.


Yes, and the world would be a better, if not slightly, place.


Do you realize that prisons are for rehabilitation?


They shouldn't be.


Hope you never are mistakenly convicted and have to serve prison time then.


It doesn't matter. I'd never let myself be caught alive.


This has no relevance to the original subject. Could Seme and Uke take their lovers quarrel to a different thread please?

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My first comment does indeed tie in with the topic, so there's no need for it to be moved/deleted. I do admit it went a bit off after the first.
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saksiss wrote:

My first comment does indeed tie in with the topic, so there's no need for it to be moved/deleted. I do admit it went a bit off after the first.


Even your initial comment is off point. You would benefit greatly from clarifying your position, instead of making a broad generalized statement about how prisoners in general should be executed with chemical weapons and have their corpses dumped in a mass grave.

My goal in starting this thread is clearly laid out in the OP. No part of it included determining whether the functionality of American prisons should be focused around rehabilitating criminals through social and behavioral reinforcement, or creating the worst possible living conditions in an attempt to punish a criminal or serve justice in some sense.
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Kavalion wrote:

Wounding over 200 people sounds fairly massive. Why wouldn't it be considered WMD use/intent? And why wouldn't you throw every charge you could on the guy? Don't complain about natural stuff unless it's the weather.


Well, I mean it seems to fit the definition of a WMD and is reasonable. I just didn't know the legal definition of WMD before, and so was surprised to see the charge rolled out. That term usually calls things like dirty bombs and ICBMs to mind, but it's true: bombs are specifically included in the definition. Neko's right, section 921 technically could be used to define even a fragmentation grenade as a WMD. I couldn't imagine it ever has been used that way since the FBI specifically talks about the scale of damage to people and property as a crucial consideration in their anti-proliferation/use operations. I suppose the question to ask is whether the definition of WMD is itself appropriate, and it seems to me that simply referring to section 921 is potentially insufficient for the purposes of clarification.


ARemarkYouMade wrote:

For a site with mostly insane people, I am surprised at how many of you are swallowing this...wholesale.


So, you wanted a bunch of tin-foil hat nonsense? I suppose I could come up with something for you, but I'd need Glenn Beck's chalkboard for the full effect.
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Kavalion wrote:

Wounding over 200 people sounds fairly massive. Why wouldn't it be considered WMD use/intent? And why wouldn't you throw every charge you could on the guy? Don't complain about natural stuff unless it's the weather.


Well, I mean it seems to fit the definition of a WMD and is reasonable. I just didn't know the legal definition of WMD before, and so was surprised to see the charge rolled out. That term usually calls things like dirty bombs and ICBMs to mind, but it's true: bombs are specifically included in the definition. Neko's right, section 921 technically could be used to define even a fragmentation grenade as a WMD. I couldn't imagine it ever has been used that way since the FBI specifically talks about the scale of damage to people and property as a crucial consideration in their anti-proliferation/use operations. I suppose the question to ask is whether the definition of WMD is itself appropriate, and it seems to me that simply referring to section 921 is potentially insufficient for the purposes of clarification.



My issue is the lack of infrastructural and economic damage is nowhere near what I would expect for the WMD charges, also the casualty report is not that significant for being a terrorist attack. 11-M(Madrid 2004) crippled the national public transportation and caused the European market to drop around a percent from all time highs. That attack left 191 people dead and around 1,800 dead, I'm no expert on Spanish terrorism laws but none of the individuals convicted of planning and carrying that incident out got anything like a WMD charge. The one living person they thought was directly connected did receive a 40k year prison sentence...

Most of the major terrorist attacks in the last 30 years that had much higher casualty rates and damage costs did not end with WMD charges, 9-11 I believe was the last.
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